Current state of Grevious Wounds applying items is horrible

Alesya369·12/8/2016, 11:48:09 AM·4 votes·765 views

Playing against an enemy with morellonomicon or executioner's calling feels extremely opressive and lacks counterplay. The cost and slot efficiency of those items is huge when their passives are put to use.

Morellonomicon is an item so gold and slot efficient it is bought even when GW are not going to impact a single champion in enemy team. If a champion has morello as it is core they would not even need to change their build to hard counter enemy sustain.

Its GW passive also lasts 8 seconds which is unreasonibly long, far longer than time required to kill someone with less than 35% of max hp left.

Executioner's Calling is even worse, its cost allows it to be purchased at first recall and then it can be left in this state until owner needs to upgrade it. The passive is mindblowing... unlike morellonomicon it literally lacks even smallest counterplay. The owner is allowed to focus on a target, apply GW as long as they are attacking them, and after a kill they can repeat the process with the exact same effectivness. On top of that lack of CD on that passive gives absolutely no opportunities for unreduced healing in fight with execall.

Execall and MR are so poweful they make ignite obsolete. In fact GW from MR lasts as long as ignite but it can be reapplied again and even applied to multiple champions at the same time.

Execall's passive also generates heavy abuse case if it is used with certain abilities like Jhin's R or any multitarget PhD ability. Seeing GW being applied from a random hit of Sivir's W or Jhin shooting with R from afar is really demoralising and adds to uninteractivity.

In many games there are multiple GW items bought just because of a single enemy that relies on healing. I had countless games when enemy team ended up with 3 Mortal Reminders and Morelonomicon only because of that one champion.

To fix this passives could be reworked into ignite-like actives with meaningful CD's allowing one person to counter only one enemy once and also give them chance for unreduced healing in fight when item is on CD, or there could be released a GW mitigating mechanic in spirit of armor pen countering armor stack.

17 Comments

Sona x Rubick12/8/2016, 12:18:20 PM3 votes

Good thing for you that 1.5% of the population buys executioner

Maximum Morde12/8/2016, 2:36:44 PM2 votes

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Playing against an enemy with morellonomicon or executioner's calling feels extremely opressive and lacks counterplay. The cost and slot efficiency of those items is huge when their passives are put to use.

Morellonomicon is an item so gold and slot efficient it is bought even when GW are not going to impact a single champion in enemy team. If a champion has morello as it is core they would not even need to change their build to hard counter enemy sustain.

Maybe they shouldn't have nerfed the shit out of all other mana items? Just saying. Morellos grevious wounds is fine. There is so much damned sustain in the game you could have permenant grevious wounds on every champ as a summoners Rift Aura and it would still be fine.

AlienPrimate12/8/2016, 2:59:40 PM2 votes

I cry when I get GW'd on Galio . I'm still all for it being in the game though because it is often times the only thing that allows you to kill certain champs like already mentioned Galio and Aatrox Darius Fiora Illaoi Nasus Olaf Soraka Swain Vladimir Volibear Warwick XinZhao Zac . If someone can just sustain through everything it becomes impossible to kill them.

Brain Errör 40412/8/2016, 12:13:29 PM2 votes

For them to change the way GW works, they'll have to change the way Lifesteal/sustain works on certain champs.

VoidBorn1312/8/2016, 12:11:19 PM2 votes

At least with Nomicon you have to get someone below 35% health and do magic damage.

item 3123 item 3033 You just need to auto attack.

Critmaster Garen12/8/2016, 4:20:53 PM1 votes

they still havent found a way to balance the relatonship between sustain and grievous wounds. its still one of the two always being way too strong.

imo the issue is that theyre trying to keep the effect as passive on items, instead of making them windowed actives.

the only case where grievous wounds has actually ever been balanced was summoner 14 because its a serious investment.

imo the effect should be on a support item, and not on carry items aswell.

Astôlfo12/8/2016, 2:18:37 PM1 votes

And then you realize sustain and healing methods are even more fucking stupid, which is why GW needs to be like this. facepalm

TakaDama12/8/2016, 2:30:06 PM1 votes

I actually believe mortal reminder needs a different build path: giant slayer and executioner's. only then is it deserving of a nerf.

Kaioko12/8/2016, 3:29:58 PM1 votes

It's actually fine. Only two items can apply grievous wound successfully - Morello and Executioner. Morello is a common purchase but is gated by reducing a champions health pool to 35% which requires a mage to use a big chunk of their abilities. On the other hand Executioner even if it is an efficient buy - usually places the laner behind compared to the opposing adc who rushes B.F. or even pick axe.