Why only 2 rune pages?

XxDRAGONsAK47xX·Nov 8, 2017·181 votes·59,231 views

Doesn't matter how easy it is to switch them.

I like having a lot of premade pages

260 Comments

Bobloser3555Nov 8, 201751 votes

everyone should get unlimited runes pages (why not?), there are so many variations and you may need several for each champ depending on opponents and lane match up...

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201755 votes

exactly.

I dont wanna switch runes every game....

Bobloser3555Nov 8, 201730 votes

and it may take a little too long to set up a good page in champ select if you dont know it all by heart.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201715 votes

Yep.

So rip me....

WDG DevourNov 8, 20177 votes

just buy more rune pages....

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201723 votes

.........................

lightdragoon88Nov 8, 201712 votes

You know you can get Runes Pages with Blue Essences right?

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201736 votes

yeah. 6300 BE.

Do you know how much you get for leveling up? 700

lightdragoon88Nov 8, 20179 votes

Plus first wins of the day/etc.

Just like getting Rune with IP. That what we did before, heck if anything they should bring back the 2 for 1 Rune Page special they did every now and then.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201735 votes

It's still a dumb system.

Before I never really cared too much about runes, only masteries. I had rune pages, one for ad, one for ap. but I had 20 preset masteries for 20 champions. Now I have 2

lightdragoon88Nov 8, 20171 votes

Sure it only 2? Does it say 02/02 on your rune page?

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201713 votes

Yup.

Can't make any more

lightdragoon88Nov 8, 20171 votes

Ouch man..... Now I can understand why you mad. Welp...buy 2 some with BE and make 4 basic ones for ADC, Mage, Tank, and Support.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201735 votes

I would buy some if they weren't 6300 BE...

I would rather buy new champions over "Rune" pages.

I'm paying money for masteries with a new name.

PugtatoNov 8, 201722 votes

I get people bought Rune pages last season, but they got stuff back this season for buying them.

Having to buy runes that are masteries as well and ONLY getting two at the start is pretty sly considering exactly how much detail and specific things are in these runes.

They basically just got rid of the old runes, replaced them with more detailed masteries that you only start with TWO of like the previous runes, and called them the new 'game-changing' runes.

Like, I appreciate the concept as it's basically runes and masteries combined as 1 thing but, even starting with 4 rune pages would have been better than 2 because at least then you can actually make one for each class: AD, Tank, Support, and then full AP for champs like Syndra or Ahri, and make the most out of the specifics in the pages.

Of course, that is just my opinion but I believe only having 2 rune pages is a bit sly, again because of how specific and detailed they actually are and how specific different champions are, ie, what different champions need. Like, Not all AD or AP champs use the same sort of build or runes. Take Gangplank and Darius for example, Gangplank is based around CDR, and Darius is based around pure AD and tank. These are two completely different AD related champs, that need two different types of AD runes. And in my opinion with even 4 runes that would be easier to achieve, seeing as AP needs completely different rune sets.

Another quick example would be AP based supports and tank based supports, both need completely different runes. One tanky with maybe a little bit of AP(E.g.Blitz), and one that purely uses AP and healing/shielding related runes(E.g.Janna).

Conclusion is, 2 rune pages is not enough, especially since we no longer have masteries and can't make different one's for different champs. And as mentioned plenty of times before even 4 rune pages would have been a better amount in my opinion.

BattleofDeathsNov 8, 20171 votes

maybe you only had 2 before the change? because i had 20 before and still can make 20 pages now.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201717 votes

Everyone had 20 mastery pages...

Now we have 2.

These new "runes" Are just masteries with less pages

BabyNaixNov 8, 20175 votes

What really that's all you get for leveling up?! 0.o How many games does it take to level up? before it took about 10-15 games to get 700 IP (assuming each game gave an average of 50-60IP)

Pierce The VealNov 8, 20173 votes

Maybe you should have sacrificed buying champions and got them like the rest of us losers eh?

Stop acting so entitled. People who invested heavily in runes and runepages got fucked over and now you're asking for their only advantage to be taken away because you feel like it.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201714 votes

Entitled?

So because I value fun over competitiveness I should be punished?

EternalSaiyanNov 8, 201716 votes

Technically having the pages cost so much hurts competitive players aswell if they dont have years to spend gaining b.e. or huge amounts of cash to throw away. Pretty sure a guy with 20 customized pages will have and advantage on a guy trying to only use 2.

OwynNov 8, 201719 votes

Do you know how much you get for leveling up? 700

and do you know how much games you need to level up? lets see... 3500 exp needed for level up 100 exp per game

only 35 games, making it 700\35 = ~ 20 IP\BE per game

Absolutely generous rito [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Teridax68Nov 8, 20175 votes

I agree with this, and adding to it, I think it might end up making more sense to attach rune pages to champions, instead of having this book of general-purpose rune pages to select from every match. I think it would be much better to have, say, three pages I made myself for one champion, that I can easily switch through as the situation demands, and then a similar number of different pages for every other, than to have this list of pages where most of them will be useless for what I'm picking.

Kensan900Nov 8, 201750 votes

riot didn't make the new rune pages to make the game more fun they just needed something new to charge you for

ArakadiaNov 8, 201714 votes

That's a hell of a poor investment imo. And totally not worth it when they could have spent that time on way more profitable content.

Velzard of KozNov 8, 201712 votes

It's not technically new. You had to pay for more Runepages even before. It just felt easier to live with 2-3 Runepages with Runes than it feels to live with 2-3 "Masterypages" (since that's what bascally new Runes are).

And while I understand that not having to pay for each Rune and being able to modify it is important advantage, it indeed does feel limiting anyway.

PoopedInUrPocketNov 8, 201714 votes

Just buy them , just buy them, just buy them. We did buy them, and then they redesigned a large portion of the game, which included removing what we already paid for in this case extra rune pages, and then re-used rune pages but gave us back less than what we spent on them the first time so we have to spend money again to get them back.

Absolute dirty thievery. I do not recall exactly how many extra rune pages I had bought before they stole everything I paid for. But I certainly had at bought at least one rune page bundle prior to this thievery. And now i cannot use BE to buy a bundle and get back to where i was so I am forced to spend money on something I already bought. Just plain dirty theft.

I hope they take huge hits in income for this bs. I certainly won't be re-purchasing rune pages that I already had paid for and was refunded useless currency that buys back the same thing I was ROBBED of at a HUGE loss.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201716 votes

Agreed. This new rune system was a good opportunity for Riot to show that they weren't just another greedy company.

Guess every gaming company is the same.

MalrothDragoniaNov 8, 20176 votes

Wow.. the entitlement is real. Runes were a HUGE pain point, and not just for new players. You couldn't even buy them with money if you wanted to skip the BS, and you had to dump time and IP into them just so you could play on the same basic level as other people.

Riot streamlines the system, gives you IP back for content you've already used, folds the convenience and time/money spent on Rune Pages to give you value back instead of simply deleting them and making them like masteries, while still making the system accessible at a PRO LEVEL to every single player.

Nothing said Riot had to give you anything, you spent time and got value out of the features they put in place. You might as well ask for a refund for a champ that got reworked you don't like. Jeebus, Riot took a huge hit off the IP refund, since that's money they don't see. Everyone will be BE glutted for a bit now (offset slightly by the BE store) not just S1 players or whales. They took a hit to deliver a more streamlined BETTER experience and all people want to do is WHINE.

I've played since S2, and Runes SUCKED the entire time. They were bad. Riot didn't have to fix the system, but they did and all people can say is 'why don't I get MORE free stuff?! What a ripoff'. jeebus.

JogadorJNCNov 8, 20176 votes

why don't I get MORE free stuff?! What a ripoff'. jeebus.

I mean, if these are runes then they took 20 mastery pages from me, so it would still be LESS free stuff. And if these aren't runes then they really shouldn't have the same number of pages as i had in runes.

MalrothDragoniaNov 8, 20172 votes

they are a new, and objectively BETTER pre-game system. "oh man, they traded in my tricycle for a bicycle, I have one less wheel! What a ripoff". They may be called runes but really it's an overhaul of the 'pre-game decision making process' runes is a familiar name, but it's just an improved system. They were nice and gave you free mastery pages, this is something new with new rules, trying to accommodate those who spent time/money into the old system. I'm sry you think they should prioritize YOUR needs when you didn't buy into the old system with RP/IP.

AtanchanNov 8, 20175 votes

It's objectively worse due to not increasing the amount of time pre-game you have to set it up, meaning you have to make significant decisions in the amount of time you'd just flip between like two or three clear-cut options based on who you were playing. Meaning, you don't actually get to use the pre-game system to the extent it's supposed to.

MalrothDragoniaNov 8, 20171 votes

they actually added time to pre-game to help people adjust to having to make more new decisions. It's like you don't really care about 'fairness' and just want things that benefit YOU the most. Crazy. You'd think someone really concerned might have looked at the patch notes and pre-season discussion to see what the full changes were.

AtanchanNov 8, 20173 votes

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It's like you don't really care about 'fairness' and just want things that benefit YOU the most. Crazy.

huh

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I'm going to call you out for bringing up an idea that benefits literally everyone because I don't like it, and hide it under the pretense of you being unfair to make it seem worse.

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Also, you seem to have issues reading the patch notes yourself, considering it's only like 15 seconds they've added and it flat-out says they're temporary.

MalrothDragoniaNov 8, 20171 votes

What I said is not incorrect. They added time. You don't think it's enough time, that's your opinion, but it's six decisions, and you have access to what they all are before you enter into a game. It's not 'objectively worse' because it's more time for fewer decisions. Trying to build a mastery page from scratch each game was more decisions with less time. That's objectively better. It's temporary because it's new, and eventually you won't need it.

Also, I mistakenly thought you were the same dude arguing the system was unfair from before, missed that you were a new poster, which I'm sry about. The 'benefits YOU' comment was directed at that person.

AtanchanNov 8, 20173 votes

It's nine decisions. Which paths you take, which secondary tier you exclude, and which runes you take. Considering how those all link together, it's completely disingenuous to compare even one of those to like deciding between 6% heals or +50 health.

Also, the thing about building the mastery pages from scratch each game? You didn't have to, simply because you didn't actually make the maximum amount of decisions the mastery tress provided. Hell, you only needed six mastery pages period, because you didn't actually need to make any decisions not based around your champion class besides primary tree, secondary tree, and keystone. And sometimes those weren't even decisions, either. So the amount of mental energy put into the old system was only a tiny fraction in comparison to the amount put into this one.

MalrothDragoniaNov 8, 20171 votes

I'm sorry the mental effort of choosing a playstyle is a bit much for you. Seems like a personal problem. Maybe invest some BE into extra pages then.

AtanchanNov 8, 20178 votes

I'm sorry that your face is a literal ass and the only thing you're capable of putting out of it is the smuggest shit in the world. Maybe you'll realize that the extra pages barely help, because you'd need like twenty of them to streamline the process and even then it doesn't cut out any of the decision making.

Jerry SeinfeIdNov 8, 201718 votes

You didn't lose anything. If you spent RP on runepages you got skins in return, and you still have your runepages. buying runepages for IP is still possible it's just called BE now.

So no, you didn't get robbed atleast not when it comes to pages. the refund on runes is lackluster, but nothing we can do about that anymore.

Bob the ToastrNov 8, 20178 votes

It's based on however many rune pages you had before.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201711 votes

Still...

I go from 20 mastery pages to 2 rune pages...

Bob the ToastrNov 8, 201713 votes

You also went from 2 rune pages to 2 rune pages.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 201713 votes

These "runes" are just masteries

Solidair3Nov 8, 201710 votes

They're both.

AtanchanNov 8, 20178 votes

They're really not. The only way you can say this is if you've literally never seen a rune before now.

Solidair3Nov 8, 20172 votes

They really are! they grant flat stats (splashing to a secondary tree!) as well as helpful passive abilities.

AtanchanNov 8, 20177 votes

That's ... the exact reason why they aren't runes. Masteries did both of those, while runes only did the former.

Not xPekeNov 8, 201712 votes

c'mon, they are masteries. It's so clear, even from the layout lmao.

Don't just look at the name 'runes reforged' and think they're actually runes lmao.

KloqdqNov 8, 20173 votes

Just have to buy them sadly. Luckily it shouldn't take too long to understand the best pages and setups so you can stick to one and do small swaps as needed. Plus the extra 15 seconds helps.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 8, 20178 votes

Thats true, but this was supposed to be a huge change to League.

Its the same rune system with new runes.