LoL's match making gives me a cancer. Trolls have more rights in this game than those who tries hard to win and other problems plagues this game. Finally yesterday I uninstalled this game so now I am curious if I should give a shot for Dota 2.
For anyone who played both games. I wondering how hard would be to learn Dota 2 basics ? Is it true that Dota 2 is more sophisticated skill wise? Is there anything else you should say about Dota 2 ?
I have played a bit of both games, more LoL than DotA and while I believe LoL is much much more fun, DotA is a better game on the whole. Once again, before you begin downvoting, I state that my opinion is purely subjective and OP should find out for him/herself which game (s)he likes better.
I did say my opinion was subjective but there are some areas where DotA is objectively better than LoL . One of them is the fact that if you discount experience, a level 1 and a level 100 player start the game on the same footing. There's no grindy runes, there's no masteries (admitted soon, LoL won't have grindy runes as well but I assume you'll need to be lv 30 to access all of them, correct me if I'm wrong) and ALL the champions are free to play. So you have full access to the game from the word get go.
DotA is much more dynamic than LoL. Nothing is set in stone, right from the laning arrangement to the meta picks. At this point , any pick can be viable at any ELO, right from sub 1000 MMR ( Bronze ) To the professional circuit.
Come backs are real. People complaining about catchup experience in LoL would have a heart attack in DotA. This is because there is no concept of AP or AD scaling in this game. If a bursty mage gets ahead in the early game, eventually he/she falls off as HP pools get bigger. This leads to less stomps as even if the mid is 10-0 at min 6, or if you lost a full lane of structures inside 14 mins there's always something you can do to come back into the game. This is one of the points I have mixed feelings about. Comebacks feel good as part of them but incredibly frustrating for solo carry players . Which brings me to my next point
DotA is more team oriented than LoL is. The very presence of a Teleport scroll, which gives you a teleport spell to any structure , and later boots of travel, which gives you the same spell but to minions and allied heroes as well, makes team fights far more frequent at any ELO. To give you an example, the DotA equivalent of worlds had its finals yesterday, and for the first two games of the finals, there were a cumulative total of more kills than minutes in the game. DotA is waaay more fight heavy than LoL because fights are more frequent .
DotA penalizes dying less than LoL, EVEN though you lose gold on death in DotA.. In LoL , losing a team fight vs two AP mages means certain doom for the losing party. Losing a fight means losing exp, then gold, and not hitting your spikes fast enough, and then dying again. In DotA, however, it's more about level power spikes than item powerspikes early game, and some champs have to literally be baby sat till 6 and their ult can win them the lane. A slark can be bullied super hard off the creepwave by supports but the moment he hits 6, he gets out of vision and combat movespeed and health regen and can roam to other lanes in the blink of an eye, make plays and regen up all the damage he sustains. Level spikes are where supports get their power from. That, and utility items. Which brings me to my next point
DotA has a SHOCK of items. Almost no two carries have the same two core item set . Almost every carry has an item that's very favourable for them to rush, because of synergy with kit, or shoring up a weakness. It's these item timings that determine the course of the mid game. LoL on the other hand has every marksman building BF Zeal . There ARE exceptions like Kog Maw and Lucian and Kalista , and leth ADCs like MF . But this diversity pales in comparision to dota as I will discuss in my next point.
The role of "ADC" isnt set in stone in dota. Or for that matter, ANY role. You can have 3 people top, one mid and one bot, or one top one mid one bot one jungle and one support whose sole role is to roam and not spend any time in any lane . The possibilities are endless.
Melee carries are viable in DotA. You can reliably depend on Melee carries to carry you late game vs Ranged Carries. In fact, some of the best late game carries are melee ( Specter, Chaos Knight, Phantom Assassin )
There's FAR more defensive itemization for carries, as items give stats like Strength , Intelligence and Agility, sometimes in addition to flat damage or flat health. And champions are grouped as Strength , Intelligence, or Agility. Each of these champions gain one point of Base damage for every point of their corresponding stat they get. Each point of strength gives health and regen, each point of int gives mana, mana regen and improves your spell damage by 0.07% for every one point of int they get, and each point of agility gives attack speed and 0.14 armor.
DotA is MORE toxic than league of legends. I hate all ol games in this regard. Games are toxic . period. If you're playing any online game for its community, then you need to reconsider. LoL has Polaks, DotA has Russians, and the worst part is, in DotA, you arent restricted to a single server, so they invade other servers because they believe Russia won the cold war and the world belongs to them.
The above is what I could think of , off the top of my head. If anyone else has information to add, go ahead. BTW, take all my opinions with a pinch of salt, they are subjective and I'm not very good at DotA, nor have I spent as long playing DotA as LoL.
Although I personally believe, you shouldn't just give up on LoL at that. If you're giving up on LoL for it's cancerous community , you won't find heaven in dota. It's FAR worse there imo. If it's because of ranked, its a lot harder to climb in dota as they penalize you 25 LP for a loss and give you 25 LP for a win, and there's no demotion shielding or Duo Queueing. It's either Solo, or Parties of 2-5 with parties of 4 disabled.
stay away from dota please
sincerly a Rubick otp
Basics arent super hard to learn. Personally, I'm god awful at last hitting in Dota 2, so I just support (like I do here...noticing a pattern). I wouldn't say dota 2 requires "more skill" as much as it does different skill. The movement is different, you can't recall, some of the enviroment can be traversed, there aren't any summoner spells, but instead a ton of items that do different things etc. Maybe watch some videos on it, or just go dl it and do the tutorial stuff.
It's a pretty good game. If you want a break from league without sacrificing the MOBA theme, this is probably the best youll find. There are trolls there just like any other internet game, so don't expect it to be candy land. People rage there when you screw up just like here. Also, find friends who play the game, or make some. The game is WAY more fun playing with people you enjoy playing with, and people you know who wont rage at you.
Dora 2 is faaaaar more team oriented.
-You base the game around your carries. -You pick what the team needs, not what you want. -There are no noob-pro heroes, you pick again what the team needs. -There is no 'real Jungle', but you can play it if the comp supports it. -There is no solo toplane, be prepared to 1v2 or 1v3 if you go there. -League concept of assassins isn't really a thing.
Now some really cool stuff include: -Bigger map -Ult boosting item -You will almost never hit the 100% full build -Melle carries -Voice coms, if you like them
Also don't listen to Rubick, Carl is Dota's supreme Archmage.
Dota 2 is an online game. There will be trolls there and shity matchmaking there too. Don't kid yourself in thinking that league is just toxic cause its league or that its more toxic than any other game out there. Online games are all toxic. League is no more toxic than any other game.
Just saying, not matter what game you decide to play if its online competitive there will be trolls and there will be toxicity.
Dota 2 was too confusing to me. Personally it feels like a pain in the ass to get in to.
Dota 2 = Hard to learn, Hard to master League of Legends = Easy to learn, Hard to master
Rioters are idiots at game design, they have to constantly rework champs because they're are a failure at designing them in the first place. I have spend thousands of dollars in LoL and I have played it for more than 4 years before quitting, but I haven't looked back at it because to me Dota 2 is perfection compared to league. There has been very few reworks for dota 2 heroes because they were designed properly in the first place. That's is not the case for LoL, Just look at udyr for example (incredibly boring and bland mechanics), or Ryze. I'm glad I haven't looked back at league ever again. Once you get to learn Dota 2, it gets incredibly satisfying and way more entertaining
Lol is better game and fun( but more fast & stressed game) but worse community of all because Lol is the famous free moba and with much more players.
Dota2 is much more unbalanced, lot of things without counter and less fun in my opinion and only a bit better community. Dota isnt more hard than Lol ..dota is unconfortable to play then its looks more harder to play but unfun too.
Dota 2 is indeed more complex in terms of skills(also in other ways), which leads to it being somewhat harder. There's tons of abilites which can come flying at you from opposite end of the map literally, or do some quite weird things, also much more active items in general.
Also game is much less forgiving. And matchmaking isn't much better, i played dota for few hundred hours(no ranked) made a long break, returned to it - constantly getting matched with high ranks or players with 1-2k hours, lol, 9/10 matches i am literally stomped.
I've been playing Dota for 12 years and got into the top 1% on multiple accounts. Dota has way more creep management. It's not only denies, you need to block waves, pull waves into neutrals, draw creep aggro and all sorts of tricks to win lanes.
Laning stage is far more complex in dota and not as forgiving as league. Warding, mana management, trading hits, early game items, and landing spells are more punishing if you screw it up. It's a great game with a higher learning curve.
LOL is a great game and so is dota. basics in dota take some time getting used to but its not hard. a week tops to really get it down to a T. the hardest part of the game is the design mentality of, "if everyone can do OP shit then noone hero can be truly OP". so there is a lot of thinking in the item shop you have to do. Way more active items and they are ALL situational, some will be required in one match but be useless in the next. the meta isnt set in stone because each game feels entirely different to another. 3 people in top lane isnt an uncommon thing to see at 4 and a half minutes. fights break out everywhere on the map at any given time. nowhere is safe outside your base with full towers, so you always have to be prepared for that. also fights arent as mechanicly intensive. if you like the flashy cool looking plays that are made in LoL you might be dissapointed when ou first try dota. flashy plays exist but they are hard to pull off. the game play is slower with out doubt and WAY more team based so paying attention to mini map is an absolute MUST. less fast decisions more long term decisions. some of the most powerful items in the game are dropped on death able to be picked up by the other team. but if you are looking for less toxic people you are looking at the wrong game
TL;DR - dota isnt hard just takes time, slow paced, not flashy as league, more items,more team based, still toxic
I hope you don't mind my Refresher orb Aghs Sniper mechanics.
Play smite . It's exactly like league just in third person
I have played Dota for 5 years and the game took me 2 days to learn the basic mechanics once you get past that the game is a blast every character can be countered and they have almost daily updates to ensure the game is balanced. It is also extremely team based if you go in to 4 v 5 only missing a support you will probably lose the fight. It also will give you benefits for a leaver it will give you increased gold income an it really comes in handy for that carry to get the items so you have late game chance. Don't get me wrong league is fun I just got into Dota more.
as bad as lol is dota is worse but in different ways. Primarily some of its worst problems are:
vision: towers give no true sight and theres no where safe on the map against fast people or invisible people so supports in that game are truely ward bots moreso than anytime in the history of LoL
on the subject of supports: supps in dota are not much like in lol, even from the old days when they were less battle focused than they are now. Supports in dota spend almost all of their gold on vision items and buying a courier (couriers fly items to people because going back to base is not as free or common in dota) to the point that they usually end up buying maybe one midrange item and have nothing else except boots and wards unless their team gets ahead and they happen to have gold to spare but that is by no means common or the intention. Supports also have to micromanage spawns nearby which some people like but most people who come from lol find it to be tedious and boring. All of this translates to supports being free kills (aka free money) for the enemy team and of little use aside from warding by midgame due to lack of items to stay relevant. Imagine soraka with 300g boots, a cheap ap item, some potions, and some wards and thats basically a support in dota.
turning: heroes have turning speed which basically boils down to being ministunned if youre trying to attack something behind you like for instance when youre running away so in many cases trying to use an ability to defend yourself will simply effect a ministun and at best waste any time you bought yourself using a cc skill due to distance lost while turning and turning back
high ground: there are elevation changes at various points on the map and players with low ground miss most of their attacks, seems strategic at first but ends up just being an obstacle to fun
excessive range on ranged champs: you know how janna can tornado ppl from off screen? imagine that range but now imagine if vayne had it on her basic attacks, thats what you deal with with mutliple heroes due to how large the range gap is between ranged and melee champs
hard cc: hard cc is far more able to be chained and also tends to be longer in dota than in lol so stun locking is something you have to be aware of and can easily ruin you, there is a very expensive item that can counter it but due to its cost and the economy of the game it is not wise for most heros to buy it
reliance on items: items in dota tend to provide far more in the way of abilities and so this translates to gold acquisition being far more integral to winning than in lol, plus when you die you lose some gold which makes it all the worse
no ff: probably one of the worst things youll experience when youre new to the game especially is the lack of forfeit. like oh you have some afk on your team and are losing horribly and want to ff? nope. you have to sit there and suffer, if the enemy team is nice they end it quickly, if theyre not they can trap you in the fountain and spawn kill you over and over and over for as long as they want or until you quit and recieve a penalty. That can also happen if they just get ahead and since you lose gold when you die that means that theres no way for you to catch up, easily bad enough to recommend against trying dota.
For someone like me who played both games ever since their release and even getting involved in Dota’s closed beta, I think both games have advantages and disadvantages, I just personally love dota a bit more than league. First of all, game length, you can say league is averagely around half an hour or shorter and faster paced, but Dota is more like those hour long games that requires a lot of focus and devotion to keep playing, my personal longest game in Dota was over three hours of hard battle ending with a close victory, while my longest league game barely reached a hour.
Secondly, league is more predictable than Dots for the fact that league has almost no abilities that has to do with chances, but in the other hand, a lot of the Dota hero’s have abilities that based on percentages. Like if a chaos knight in Dota can hit a six second stun in a range of 2-6 seconds, a fight can be totally dependent on the stun duration.
Thirdly, the direction and builds and strategies changes rapidly every second in Dota, while league is more like following a set of instructions. Dota is more macro than micro to most people’s opinion including me. Your item builds has to do with what other people’s item builds are.
Lastly, Dota just have a better community, the areal chat allows you to meet new people and connect with them. I’d say I know like one fifth of all the Dota players in the Seattle area, like not personally but we take and play matches from time to time and we know some personal situations of each other and help out if we can.
First time I played dota 2 was when my friend made me play it when him, I got cursed at and was told to kill myself by two of my team members, the WHOLE game, told them it was my first game, they did not care. the 2nd match was similar, haven't played the game since.
Might be a late to comment but to be honest, basics arent that hard to learn its other things like getting used to denying your own creeps or even killing enemy creeps with enemies trying to deny them, blocking enemy units with your hero or controlling multiple units at once. I think it really is more complex then LoL but also more fun, played both and dota 2 just offers you more mechanics and more ways to outplay enemies. From items that can be activated and are actually really useful and game changing to also game changing abilities, buybacks, couriers, hills etc. If you ever see this comment give it a chance because it is truly amazing game
