LoL's match making gives me a cancer. Trolls have more rights in this game than those who tries hard to win and other problems plagues this game. Finally yesterday I uninstalled this game so now I am curious if I should give a shot for Dota 2.
For anyone who played both games. I wondering how hard would be to learn Dota 2 basics ? Is it true that Dota 2 is more sophisticated skill wise? Is there anything else you should say about Dota 2 ?
LoliKnight10 votesI have played a bit of both games, more LoL than DotA and while I believe LoL is much much more fun, DotA is a better game on the whole. Once again, before you begin downvoting, I state that my opinion is purely subjective and OP should find out for him/herself which game (s)he likes better.
I did say my opinion was subjective but there are some areas where DotA is objectively better than LoL . One of them is the fact that if you discount experience, a level 1 and a level 100 player start the game on the same footing. There's no grindy runes, there's no masteries (admitted soon, LoL won't have grindy runes as well but I assume you'll need to be lv 30 to access all of them, correct me if I'm wrong) and ALL the champions are free to play. So you have full access to the game from the word get go.
DotA is much more dynamic than LoL. Nothing is set in stone, right from the laning arrangement to the meta picks. At this point , any pick can be viable at any ELO, right from sub 1000 MMR ( Bronze ) To the professional circuit.
Come backs are real. People complaining about catchup experience in LoL would have a heart attack in DotA. This is because there is no concept of AP or AD scaling in this game. If a bursty mage gets ahead in the early game, eventually he/she falls off as HP pools get bigger. This leads to less stomps as even if the mid is 10-0 at min 6, or if you lost a full lane of structures inside 14 mins there's always something you can do to come back into the game. This is one of the points I have mixed feelings about. Comebacks feel good as part of them but incredibly frustrating for solo carry players . Which brings me to my next point
DotA is more team oriented than LoL is. The very presence of a Teleport scroll, which gives you a teleport spell to any structure , and later boots of travel, which gives you the same spell but to minions and allied heroes as well, makes team fights far more frequent at any ELO. To give you an example, the DotA equivalent of worlds had its finals yesterday, and for the first two games of the finals, there were a cumulative total of more kills than minutes in the game. DotA is waaay more fight heavy than LoL because fights are more frequent .
DotA penalizes dying less than LoL, EVEN though you lose gold on death in DotA.. In LoL , losing a team fight vs two AP mages means certain doom for the losing party. Losing a fight means losing exp, then gold, and not hitting your spikes fast enough, and then dying again. In DotA, however, it's more about level power spikes than item powerspikes early game, and some champs have to literally be baby sat till 6 and their ult can win them the lane. A slark can be bullied super hard off the creepwave by supports but the moment he hits 6, he gets out of vision and combat movespeed and health regen and can roam to other lanes in the blink of an eye, make plays and regen up all the damage he sustains. Level spikes are where supports get their power from. That, and utility items. Which brings me to my next point
DotA has a SHOCK of items. Almost no two carries have the same two core item set . Almost every carry has an item that's very favourable for them to rush, because of synergy with kit, or shoring up a weakness. It's these item timings that determine the course of the mid game. LoL on the other hand has every marksman building BF Zeal . There ARE exceptions like Kog Maw and Lucian and Kalista , and leth ADCs like MF . But this diversity pales in comparision to dota as I will discuss in my next point.
The role of "ADC" isnt set in stone in dota. Or for that matter, ANY role. You can have 3 people top, one mid and one bot, or one top one mid one bot one jungle and one support whose sole role is to roam and not spend any time in any lane . The possibilities are endless.
Melee carries are viable in DotA. You can reliably depend on Melee carries to carry you late game vs Ranged Carries. In fact, some of the best late game carries are melee ( Specter, Chaos Knight, Phantom Assassin )
There's FAR more defensive itemization for carries, as items give stats like Strength , Intelligence and Agility, sometimes in addition to flat damage or flat health. And champions are grouped as Strength , Intelligence, or Agility. Each of these champions gain one point of Base damage for every point of their corresponding stat they get. Each point of strength gives health and regen, each point of int gives mana, mana regen and improves your spell damage by 0.07% for every one point of int they get, and each point of agility gives attack speed and 0.14 armor.
DotA is MORE toxic than league of legends. I hate all ol games in this regard. Games are toxic . period. If you're playing any online game for its community, then you need to reconsider. LoL has Polaks, DotA has Russians, and the worst part is, in DotA, you arent restricted to a single server, so they invade other servers because they believe Russia won the cold war and the world belongs to them.
The above is what I could think of , off the top of my head. If anyone else has information to add, go ahead. BTW, take all my opinions with a pinch of salt, they are subjective and I'm not very good at DotA, nor have I spent as long playing DotA as LoL.
Although I personally believe, you shouldn't just give up on LoL at that. If you're giving up on LoL for it's cancerous community , you won't find heaven in dota. It's FAR worse there imo. If it's because of ranked, its a lot harder to climb in dota as they penalize you 25 LP for a loss and give you 25 LP for a win, and there's no demotion shielding or Duo Queueing. It's either Solo, or Parties of 2-5 with parties of 4 disabled.
verysalt4 votesVery nice insightful text. I really loled at your 10th. As for toxicity i don't care at all, as long as I can mute. For the fact, i really don't understand why RIOT is so sensitive to it considering all players can mute not just chat but also pings. This is one of the best examples of RIOTs idiocy : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/WLy1zXZB-enjoy-got-punished
ZephyrDrake1 votesVery nice insightful text. I really loled at your 10th. As for toxicity i don't care at all, as long as I can mute. For the fact, i really don't understand why RIOT is so sensitive to it considering all players can mute not just chat but also pings. This is one of the best examples of RIOTs idiocy : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/WLy1zXZB-enjoy-got-punished
so if i call you every single name in the book, every insult, racist and everything horrible imaginable it's ok since you can just mute me? also someone randomly posting the logs of a single game without context of anything really doesn't say much other than that is how he behaves on a regular basis
verysalt6 votesso if i call you every single name in the book, every insult, racist and everything horrible imaginable it's ok since you can just mute me? also someone randomly posting the logs of a single game without context of anything really doesn't say much other than that is how he behaves on a regular basis
Why would you need a context if punishments are being given without context ?
These logs are of 3 games where two worst words were "noob" and "sux" mentioned once. Assuming somebody is trolling, making you to lose games beside your best efforts to win, then you call someone "stop feeding noob" and suddenly BAM - you getting punished instead the one who trolls. This is your RIOT at its best.
Beside, I don't deny the need punishment for malicious toxicity, racism, hatred and death threats but punishing people for an intangible things is ridiculous, especially when punishment don't even consider context.
No wonder Dota2 is overtaking LOL and i hope more people will realize of how badly LOL is being administrated.
ZephyrDrake2 votesWhy would you need a context if punishments are being given without context ?
These logs are of 3 games where two worst words were "noob" and "sux" mentioned once. Assuming somebody is trolling, making you to lose games beside your best efforts to win, then you call someone "stop feeding noob" and suddenly BAM - you getting punished instead the one who trolls. This is your RIOT at its best.
Beside, I don't deny the need punishment for malicious toxicity, racism, hatred and death threats but punishing people for an intangible things is ridiculous, especially when punishment don't even consider context.
No wonder Dota2 is overtaking LOL and i hope more people will realize of how badly LOL is being administrated.
you do know that anyone can alter their little logs if they post it the way he did right? sorry but no, you don't get banned by simply saying "stop feeding noob" unless you say it, over and over and over and over. If you are consistently showing bad behavior then you get punished. I have not being banned, chat restricted or anything once in my entire LoL life and i have been here since season 2 and i will blow up on people. Sorry but if you got banned i would bet everything i own that you were rightfully banned
verysalt5 votesyou do know that anyone can alter their little logs if they post it the way he did right? sorry but no, you don't get banned by simply saying "stop feeding noob" unless you say it, over and over and over and over. If you are consistently showing bad behavior then you get punished. I have not being banned, chat restricted or anything once in my entire LoL life and i have been here since season 2 and i will blow up on people. Sorry but if you got banned i would bet everything i own that you were rightfully banned
Stay in your little cozy ignorant mind set.
ZephyrDrake2 votesStay in your little cozy ignorant mind set.
i will, enjoy being banned in Dota2 as well
shuangzhiaishang2 votesGetting banned in dota 2 means having your whole steam account frozen so...
Chocula841 votesPerhaps they won the cold war but they have an inverted population triangle which means they will all get old and die soon
shuangzhiaishang1 votesI agree with the majority of what you said, Dota is a lot more team oriented game while league is like a solo carry game like what The Shy did. Dota though, I believe is actually more fun to play because of the graphics design and game play.
Ahristocats5 votesstay away from dota please
sincerly a Rubick otp
LoliKnight5 votesYou never recovered from those mid rubick nerfs did you?
Ahristocats3 votesi don't care about that
i don't want more league players to come on dota, game has gotten so toxic since like 1 year because league players are going on dota
LoliKnight2 votesI don't know about league players being toxic in dota, but one thing I do know. I have 3 mates in DotA who exclusively play Huskar. The date they joined DotA coincides with the patch olaf got olaf'ed
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
shuangzhiaishang1 votesTrue true true
Spupa1 votes[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qgBWhIsi,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-08-13T12:17:14.511+0000)
i don't care about that
i don't want more league players to come on dota, game has gotten so toxic since like 1 year because league players are going on dota
I found the most toxic players on Dota2 were the elitists who never played League and just talked down on anyone who did in a conceited way. So, League players definitely won't make it any worse.
Flashes1 votes[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qgBWhIsi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-08-13T09:54:10.131+0000)
stay away from dota please
sincerly a Rubick otp
LMAO
Final Spark Lux5 votesBasics arent super hard to learn. Personally, I'm god awful at last hitting in Dota 2, so I just support (like I do here...noticing a pattern). I wouldn't say dota 2 requires "more skill" as much as it does different skill. The movement is different, you can't recall, some of the enviroment can be traversed, there aren't any summoner spells, but instead a ton of items that do different things etc. Maybe watch some videos on it, or just go dl it and do the tutorial stuff.
It's a pretty good game. If you want a break from league without sacrificing the MOBA theme, this is probably the best youll find. There are trolls there just like any other internet game, so don't expect it to be candy land. People rage there when you screw up just like here. Also, find friends who play the game, or make some. The game is WAY more fun playing with people you enjoy playing with, and people you know who wont rage at you.
Winters Dawn4 votesDota 2 is an online game. There will be trolls there and shity matchmaking there too. Don't kid yourself in thinking that league is just toxic cause its league or that its more toxic than any other game out there. Online games are all toxic. League is no more toxic than any other game.
Just saying, not matter what game you decide to play if its online competitive there will be trolls and there will be toxicity.
Dota 2 was too confusing to me. Personally it feels like a pain in the ass to get in to.
shuangzhiaishang1 votesDota is not that complicated you just have to watch some videos before you start and figure out what all the items do.
Vargrjalmer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Winters Dawn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qgBWhIsi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-13T09:35:34.565+0000)
Dota 2 is an online game. There will be trolls there and shity matchmaking there too. Don't kid yourself in thinking that league is just toxic cause its league or that its more toxic than any other game out there. Online games are all toxic. League is no more toxic than any other game.
Just saying, not matter what game you decide to play if its online competitive there will be trolls and there will be toxicity.
Dota 2 was too confusing to me. Personally it feels like a pain in the ass to get in to.
You know, that whole statement reminds me of back when i used to play helldivers ( which I might go back to as it still gets occasional dlc's and patches 3 years after release AND ITS ON PC NOW) They had a system of commending or reporting players, if you get reported often (for trolling) you get put in games with other people who have reports sitting on them from the current war, reset when a new war begins If you get commended a lot (in my experience) you play the game and have NO idea the trolls even EXIST. It's fucking phenomenal, a 4 player co-op game with full friendly fire enabled ON EVERYTHING and you literally don't get trolled or team killed. It's almost like they've created a system that works to give everyone an enjoyable game experience like THREE years ago roflmao.
Dota 2 is much slower paced than league, which means it probably has fewer children, that and the playerbase is HIGHLY toxic to people who troll (or just aren't very good)
Salson4 votesDora 2 is faaaaar more team oriented.
-You base the game around your carries. -You pick what the team needs, not what you want. -There are no noob-pro heroes, you pick again what the team needs. -There is no 'real Jungle', but you can play it if the comp supports it. -There is no solo toplane, be prepared to 1v2 or 1v3 if you go there. -League concept of assassins isn't really a thing.
Now some really cool stuff include: -Bigger map -Ult boosting item -You will almost never hit the 100% full build -Melle carries -Voice coms, if you like them
Also don't listen to Rubick, Carl is Dota's supreme Archmage.
shuangzhiaishang1 votesTechnically there are noob-pro heros, you don’t want to play invoker when you don’t actually know all his spell combos.
StupidFeedery3 votesDota 2 = Hard to learn, Hard to master League of Legends = Easy to learn, Hard to master
shuangzhiaishang1 votesActually, I’d say league is actually not hard to master, I mastered quite a few of champions in months and some only took days to master.
Naching2 votesLol is better game and fun( but more fast & stressed game) but worse community of all because Lol is the famous free moba and with much more players.
Dota2 is much more unbalanced, lot of things without counter and less fun in my opinion and only a bit better community. Dota isnt more hard than Lol ..dota is unconfortable to play then its looks more harder to play but unfun too.
Kariniva2 votesI'm sorry but you must be mistaken, Dota 2 is more balanced than league is. For example that try-hard piece of shit Yasuo 
who has double critical damage and an_ E with no cool down_, seriously all you have to do is buy two items 
and you are god g freaking g. yes this is league, the totally
"fair and balanced game"
MorganFreemanBot1 votesI'm sorry but you must be mistaken, Dota 2 is more balanced than league is. For example that try-hard piece of shit Yasuo
I suggest you actually go play DOTA sometime.
Think Alistar has a lot of CC? Dota has heroes who can straight up CC lock you for almost 0 seconds without any ally participation, as well as nuke the every-loving shit out of you.
Dislike Master Yi and Yasuo with how they're slippery and hard to nail down? Dota has melee carries which are actually competitively viable, in large part because of BKB. You'll be screaming and crying about Yasuo and Yi being perfectly fine after a melee adc - who's literally immune to CC and steroids which make the both of them look like chumps - runs an unholy rape train on your entire team.
Don't like how influential supports are in league, how much power they pack? Well dota supports are no weaker; and unlike league supports they're quite capable of killing you at most stages in the game. They're also not tied to bot lane, so it's far from uncommon to be 3 man ganked.
Dota also has anti-mage. Kassadin, one of the most mobile and (historically) frustrating champions in league, is a pale shadow compared to the hero which inspired him.
Aerostaticus2 votesshut the fuck up. Dota 2 is quite balanced. SInce everthing is op in dota compared to lol, its all balanced. I bet you dont even have 200 hours of playtime in dota. So stop talking if you dont know. 90 percent of dota champs in picked in TI compared to the 20 percent in league
MorganFreemanBot1 votesshut the fuck up. Dota 2 is quite balanced. SInce everthing is op in dota compared to lol, its all balanced. I bet you dont even have 200 hours of playtime in dota. So stop talking if you dont know. 90 percent of dota champs in picked in TI compared to the 20 percent in league
Hey, how about instead of raging, you learn to actually fucking read.
I never said DOTA was poorly balanced (it's not). I was pointing out that its champions are far more powerful, gameplay wise, than in League.
Kariniva1 votesThat is the problem RIGHT there SOME champs in league are viable (especially in current meta...) but others are extremely bad.....instead of nerfing the hell out of one really good champ....other champs should get a minor buff. For example Yasuo REALLY OP top lanner if you don't know hop to counter him.....nothing you can do against him....Arelion sol REALLY STRONG mid lane.....nothing you could really do about him.....until he was nerfed into the ground. What's the difference here laidies and gentlemen? LANE Top lanner got preferential treatment.....Mid lanner was nerfed. Does riot even play league of legends? No! the're to busy playing Dota2 lol. Anyways in Dota EVERY champ can kick your ass, every champion matters.......which is a good example of what league should be like.....
shuangzhiaishang1 votesA lot of ability in Dota actually pierces spell immune and everything can be countered, you just have to find the right build for the right hero. For instance, enemy has a lot of spell damage? BKB makes them a sheep to slaughter, they got burst damage? Sorry aeon disk is right there to say no U!
Purple Flame2 votesDota 2 is indeed more complex in terms of skills(also in other ways), which leads to it being somewhat harder. There's tons of abilites which can come flying at you from opposite end of the map literally, or do some quite weird things, also much more active items in general.
Also game is much less forgiving. And matchmaking isn't much better, i played dota for few hundred hours(no ranked) made a long break, returned to it - constantly getting matched with high ranks or players with 1-2k hours, lol, 9/10 matches i am literally stomped.
Gamukko Perkele2 votesRioters are idiots at game design, they have to constantly rework champs because they're are a failure at designing them in the first place. I have spend thousands of dollars in LoL and I have played it for more than 4 years before quitting, but I haven't looked back at it because to me Dota 2 is perfection compared to league. There has been very few reworks for dota 2 heroes because they were designed properly in the first place. That's is not the case for LoL, Just look at udyr for example (incredibly boring and bland mechanics), or Ryze. I'm glad I haven't looked back at league ever again. Once you get to learn Dota 2, it gets incredibly satisfying and way more entertaining
Gamukko Perkele3 votesLeague is for casuals and for hypocritical SJW's including the rioters themselves. Not my place certainly. Both are similar in toxicity but League people are more hypocritical about it. Like Rioters themselves have double standards because they made the game toxic intentionally. Plus having to grind just to learn means it's not as noob friendly as these filthy casuals claim it to be.
shuangzhiaishang1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gamukko Perkele,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qgBWhIsi,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-05-07T19:07:14.026+0000)
Rioters are idiots at game design, they have to constantly rework champs because they're are a failure at designing them in the first place. I have spend thousands of dollars in LoL and I have played it for more than 4 years before quitting, but I haven't looked back at it because to me Dota 2 is perfection compared to league. There has been very few reworks for dota 2 heroes because they were designed properly in the first place. That's is not the case for LoL, Just look at udyr for example (incredibly boring and bland mechanics), or Ryze. I'm glad I haven't looked back at league ever again. Once you get to learn Dota 2, it gets incredibly satisfying and way more entertaining
I agree with that, league if really sketchy at patches and new releases.
robbyz242 votesI've been playing Dota for 12 years and got into the top 1% on multiple accounts. Dota has way more creep management. It's not only denies, you need to block waves, pull waves into neutrals, draw creep aggro and all sorts of tricks to win lanes.
Laning stage is far more complex in dota and not as forgiving as league. Warding, mana management, trading hits, early game items, and landing spells are more punishing if you screw it up. It's a great game with a higher learning curve.
hoganftw1 votesI hope you don't mind my Refresher orb Aghs Sniper mechanics.
shuangzhiaishang1 votesUm I don’t?
KlydeFrog1 votesPlay smite . It's exactly like league just in third person
shuangzhiaishang1 votesSmite is .......... confusing and kind of weird for a lot of people.
Ingmat1 votesso true kkk
Elmos Tomatoe So1 votesI have played Dota for 5 years and the game took me 2 days to learn the basic mechanics once you get past that the game is a blast every character can be countered and they have almost daily updates to ensure the game is balanced. It is also extremely team based if you go in to 4 v 5 only missing a support you will probably lose the fight. It also will give you benefits for a leaver it will give you increased gold income an it really comes in handy for that carry to get the items so you have late game chance. Don't get me wrong league is fun I just got into Dota more.
JarodDempsey1 votesas bad as lol is dota is worse but in different ways. Primarily some of its worst problems are:
vision: towers give no true sight and theres no where safe on the map against fast people or invisible people so supports in that game are truely ward bots moreso than anytime in the history of LoL
on the subject of supports: supps in dota are not much like in lol, even from the old days when they were less battle focused than they are now. Supports in dota spend almost all of their gold on vision items and buying a courier (couriers fly items to people because going back to base is not as free or common in dota) to the point that they usually end up buying maybe one midrange item and have nothing else except boots and wards unless their team gets ahead and they happen to have gold to spare but that is by no means common or the intention. Supports also have to micromanage spawns nearby which some people like but most people who come from lol find it to be tedious and boring. All of this translates to supports being free kills (aka free money) for the enemy team and of little use aside from warding by midgame due to lack of items to stay relevant. Imagine soraka with 300g boots, a cheap ap item, some potions, and some wards and thats basically a support in dota.
turning: heroes have turning speed which basically boils down to being ministunned if youre trying to attack something behind you like for instance when youre running away so in many cases trying to use an ability to defend yourself will simply effect a ministun and at best waste any time you bought yourself using a cc skill due to distance lost while turning and turning back
high ground: there are elevation changes at various points on the map and players with low ground miss most of their attacks, seems strategic at first but ends up just being an obstacle to fun
excessive range on ranged champs: you know how janna can tornado ppl from off screen? imagine that range but now imagine if vayne had it on her basic attacks, thats what you deal with with mutliple heroes due to how large the range gap is between ranged and melee champs
hard cc: hard cc is far more able to be chained and also tends to be longer in dota than in lol so stun locking is something you have to be aware of and can easily ruin you, there is a very expensive item that can counter it but due to its cost and the economy of the game it is not wise for most heros to buy it
reliance on items: items in dota tend to provide far more in the way of abilities and so this translates to gold acquisition being far more integral to winning than in lol, plus when you die you lose some gold which makes it all the worse
no ff: probably one of the worst things youll experience when youre new to the game especially is the lack of forfeit. like oh you have some afk on your team and are losing horribly and want to ff? nope. you have to sit there and suffer, if the enemy team is nice they end it quickly, if theyre not they can trap you in the fountain and spawn kill you over and over and over for as long as they want or until you quit and recieve a penalty. That can also happen if they just get ahead and since you lose gold when you die that means that theres no way for you to catch up, easily bad enough to recommend against trying dota.
shuangzhiaishang1 votesFor someone like me who played both games ever since their release and even getting involved in Dota’s closed beta, I think both games have advantages and disadvantages, I just personally love dota a bit more than league. First of all, game length, you can say league is averagely around half an hour or shorter and faster paced, but Dota is more like those hour long games that requires a lot of focus and devotion to keep playing, my personal longest game in Dota was over three hours of hard battle ending with a close victory, while my longest league game barely reached a hour.
Secondly, league is more predictable than Dots for the fact that league has almost no abilities that has to do with chances, but in the other hand, a lot of the Dota hero’s have abilities that based on percentages. Like if a chaos knight in Dota can hit a six second stun in a range of 2-6 seconds, a fight can be totally dependent on the stun duration.
Thirdly, the direction and builds and strategies changes rapidly every second in Dota, while league is more like following a set of instructions. Dota is more macro than micro to most people’s opinion including me. Your item builds has to do with what other people’s item builds are.
Lastly, Dota just have a better community, the areal chat allows you to meet new people and connect with them. I’d say I know like one fifth of all the Dota players in the Seattle area, like not personally but we take and play matches from time to time and we know some personal situations of each other and help out if we can.
Vargrjalmer1 votesFor someone like me who played both games ever since their release and even getting involved in Dota’s closed beta, I think both games have advantages and disadvantages, I just personally love dota a bit more than league. First of all, game length, you can say league is averagely around half an hour or shorter and faster paced, but Dota is more like those hour long games that requires a lot of focus and devotion to keep playing, my personal longest game in Dota was over three hours of hard battle ending with a close victory, while my longest league game barely reached a hour.
Secondly, league is more predictable than Dots for the fact that league has almost no abilities that has to do with chances, but in the other hand, a lot of the Dota hero’s have abilities that based on percentages. Like if a chaos knight in Dota can hit a six second stun in a range of 2-6 seconds, a fight can be totally dependent on the stun duration.
Thirdly, the direction and builds and strategies changes rapidly every second in Dota, while league is more like following a set of instructions. Dota is more macro than micro to most people’s opinion including me. Your item builds has to do with what other people’s item builds are.
Lastly, Dota just have a better community, the areal chat allows you to meet new people and connect with them. I’d say I know like one fifth of all the Dota players in the Seattle area, like not personally but we take and play matches from time to time and we know some personal situations of each other and help out if we can.
I also hear dota is more snowbally, but only because you get more stats from LEVELs than you do from items, so while making less gold than someone else, if you have a level or two on them you can still fight them (which sounds really nice from the perspective of a roamer's playstyle)
Light deus1 votesFirst time I played dota 2 was when my friend made me play it when him, I got cursed at and was told to kill myself by two of my team members, the WHOLE game, told them it was my first game, they did not care. the 2nd match was similar, haven't played the game since.
SupaLem0n1 votesI got cursed at and was told to kill myself by two of my team members, the WHOLE game, told them it was my first game, they did not care.
Oh you poor thing. Dota also has a mute button
DarkFrozenArcher1 votesMight be a late to comment but to be honest, basics arent that hard to learn its other things like getting used to denying your own creeps or even killing enemy creeps with enemies trying to deny them, blocking enemy units with your hero or controlling multiple units at once. I think it really is more complex then LoL but also more fun, played both and dota 2 just offers you more mechanics and more ways to outplay enemies. From items that can be activated and are actually really useful and game changing to also game changing abilities, buybacks, couriers, hills etc. If you ever see this comment give it a chance because it is truly amazing game
SnowGhosty1 votesLOL is a great game and so is dota. basics in dota take some time getting used to but its not hard. a week tops to really get it down to a T. the hardest part of the game is the design mentality of, "if everyone can do OP shit then noone hero can be truly OP". so there is a lot of thinking in the item shop you have to do. Way more active items and they are ALL situational, some will be required in one match but be useless in the next. the meta isnt set in stone because each game feels entirely different to another. 3 people in top lane isnt an uncommon thing to see at 4 and a half minutes. fights break out everywhere on the map at any given time. nowhere is safe outside your base with full towers, so you always have to be prepared for that. also fights arent as mechanicly intensive. if you like the flashy cool looking plays that are made in LoL you might be dissapointed when ou first try dota. flashy plays exist but they are hard to pull off. the game play is slower with out doubt and WAY more team based so paying attention to mini map is an absolute MUST. less fast decisions more long term decisions. some of the most powerful items in the game are dropped on death able to be picked up by the other team. but if you are looking for less toxic people you are looking at the wrong game
TL;DR - dota isnt hard just takes time, slow paced, not flashy as league, more items,more team based, still toxic