Can RIOT clearly state that calling for False reports is Harassment ?

verysalt·Jul 2, 2017·16 votes·1,199 views

Every single day i am getting harassed by somebody calling the team for False reports. Players **don't even know **that this is considered as harassment and calling for reports only provokes negativity and disunity. Even if person deserves to be reported, shouldn't it be a personal decision ?

Please RIOT can you explain clearly to the community that calling others for reports is inappropriate and calling others for False reports is punishable ? Thank you.

41 Comments

PePsiLemoNNJul 2, 20173 votes

They said not so long ago that it isn't punishable

XidphelJul 2, 20171 votes

[citation needed]

ModPeriscopeJul 2, 20172 votes

To clarify, they said isolated incidents are not punishable. If you have a history of doing so or call for reports to harass others, then this it'd be a different story.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

RainfallJul 2, 20173 votes

its not about whether a report is legit or not,if you askfor a report once 10 seconds before the end of the game theres no harm if you start calling people trolls and spamming asking for reports its harasment

Llama LadyJul 3, 20171 votes

^ agreed

J4 Ulted MexicoJul 2, 20172 votes

If I remember correctly Riot has stated report calling in general is no good.

LegendmakerGXJul 2, 20172 votes

You can ask for report if the enemy can CLEARLY see the person intentional feeding or being toxic in all chat which the enemy can obviously tell if he is toxic or not which people can ask for report on, what Riot meant for not asking for report is when enemy can 't tell if the person is feeding or having just a bad game and not being toxic in all chat.

Doctor JarvisJul 2, 20171 votes

No, you can't. It only takes one report to flag the game; multiple reports does nothing, and calling for reports is toxic behavior.

LegendmakerGXJul 2, 20174 votes

Rioter already said in the past in the most recent post they did that you can ask for report if the person is CLEARLY toxic of intentional feeding.

Llama LadyJul 3, 20172 votes

Multiple reports actually does do something. Since it's a new system if so many people in a game report you it can auto ban you right then. I know that because it happened to a friend literally less then 1 min after his game and the email said it was only for that one game.

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

You've interpreted events in the optimal way to prove your point. That's not the only possible reason.

Maybe your friend crossed lines that Riot considers un-crossable.

TeslynJul 3, 20172 votes

let me give you some examples:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/IvAzoRbE-toxic https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/XEH5JqkU-toxic https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/WauapEZL-asking-you-to-report-someone-toxic-is-not-in-itself-toxic

this is just a few from the last 2 weeks. but here is the thing... when people scream to report people it is considered harassment. report them.

Kei143Jul 2, 20171 votes

it is a personal decision, asking for reports come from a culture 4 yrs back where the validilty of the report came from a majority system. The system doesn't work that way anymore, yet the community hasn't caught on yet, cos there isn't a clear enough education system in regards to how the system works.

btw, did you know that it is the community that makes the rules? if majority of the community is reporting on something, then it will become punishable.

verysaltJul 2, 20173 votes

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it is a personal decision, asking for reports come from a culture 4 yrs back where the validilty of the report came from a majority system. The system doesn't work that way anymore, yet the community hasn't caught on yet, cos there isn't a clear enough education system in regards to how the system works.

btw, did you know that it is the community that makes the rules? if majority of the community is reporting on something, then it will become punishable.

I think you contradicting yourself. You said system doesn't work that way any more and later you say community makes the rules.

Kei143Jul 2, 20173 votes

hmmm .. let me try to word it differently.

The system is a learning system and learns from what the community reports. But it also has the ability to validate reports.

The way it learns, is that if ALOT of people are reporting on the same (or similar enough) thing, then essentially it'll mean that the community thinks that whatever is happening is toxic. It also validates by comparing the reports with the mass reports.

If there were 10 million games played a day, imagine in every game someone said "mickey mouse" and every one reported that. The system would see that as extremely toxic and consider "Mickey mouse" something instant punish worthy.

Of course, in reality, "Mickey Mouse" may only be reported in ... 10 games out of the 10 million games and all those people reported for saying "Mickey mouse" will get those reports tossed out, cos majority of the people don't feel that "Mickey mouse" is an offensive term.

Riot doesn't want to come in and say "This is the hard rule that _____________ is punishable" cos they aren't the ones making the rules and they don't want to me the ones making the rules for these things. They can come out and say "Asking for reports in the form of harassment is considered as toxic by the community". Which they have said on the boards in the past.

But if in the future, the community changes their mind and thinks that "mickey mouse" is highly offensive, then them being vauge will mean their bases was covered.

ModPeriscopeJul 2, 20171 votes

If you have the opportunity, you should inform them it only takes 1 report. Most players don't know that.

TheViper7911Jul 2, 20172 votes

I would advise not to. They will argue and just make things up. Their friend at Riot told them so, etc. You can even link them to info directly from Riot and they will say "idgaf 9x reports guarantees youll get perma ban"...

ModPeriscopeJul 2, 20171 votes

I'm sure that's likely to happen in some cases, but not all. There's nothing wrong with disseminating good, factual information.

TheViper7911Jul 2, 20171 votes

Sorry, all it does is prompt low iq arguments. Go find and ant hill pick out an ant and have a conversation. It will be more productive.

ModPeriscopeJul 2, 20171 votes

Not in my experience. At any rate, you've always got the mute button.

Hèntaî Jul 2, 20171 votes

I feel like the enemy team would report your team for 'false' reporting that one rager/inter on your team.

MoonTriggerJul 2, 20171 votes

They need to do something because if one player ina premade says to the enemy to report someone and lies about it, there's nothing the teamate can do to prove they didnt

Llama LadyJul 3, 20171 votes

The only time I have personally "called for a report" was really just to remind people the feature is there for people who already agree someone is being OBVIOUSLY toxic.

I honestly have had games where I mute people and if a teammate doesn't remind us at the end or in the endgame chat I would have been too focused on the game to remember. Only downside to the mute button. xD

On the other hand, when it's coming from the enemy team, I will admit when people do it in /all I watch and see weather the person calling for it is really the toxic one and most of the time I end up reporting them. :\

Ginger976Jul 3, 20171 votes

If your team is calling for you to be reported every single day maybe you should take a look at what you're doing.

verysaltJul 3, 20171 votes

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If your team is calling for you to be reported every single day maybe you should take a look at what you're doing.

I am playing non-meta support. And playing in sub Gold league (currently lvl29) where everything what is not meta usually is being considered as trolling.

Ginger976Jul 6, 20171 votes

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I am playing non-meta support. And playing in sub Gold league (currently lvl29) where everything what is not meta usually is being considered as trolling.

So you're saying that you deserve to be reported. Sounds like the system is working as intended.

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

Dude, that was uncalled for. Picking an off-meta character is not punishable if the person is trying to win with it.

Don't be a dick.

Ginger976Jul 6, 20171 votes

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Dude, that was uncalled for. Picking an off-meta character is not punishable if the person is trying to win with it.

Don't be a dick.

Actually, I encourage you to educate yourself on what is/isn't reportable. Basically the question of "Is this reportable?" comes down to one easy qualifier: Are you being a dick? To use the example of picking an off-meta champ, the right way to do this is to ask if anybody has a problem if you picked X. If nobody does, by all means pick it. The act of picking an off meta champ is absolutely NOT reportable. Or, when you ask if anybody has a problem, somebody (or a few people) say yes, they do have a problem and don't want you to pick the champ. Then you have a choice to make. If you decide to still pick that off-meta support despite what your team says, then yes, that's reportable. Not because you picked an off-meta champ, but because you violated the one golden rule, "Don't be a dick."

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

If they know it works, then they have every right to use it to try to win. I play shit like Vi top, and Jarvan mid. I played Fizz jungle back before it got popular. I've done jungle Urgot in the past. Even AP Maokai Mid has worked well for me. Picking something off-meta is a completely valid strategy to avoid getting counterpicked, I do this often when I'm first or second pick. And I've had plenty of successful games doing all of these!

Off-meta is not automatically trolling just for being off-meta. If it's something the player knows and uses effectively, then there's nothing wrong with it.

And having the occasional bad game is the same whether you're playing meta or off-meta. It's only your perception of the player that changes, because they did something off-meta that you consider to be "wrong" and "stupid" already, so you plug it into your confirmation bias that off-meta is equivalent to trolling and feeding.

That's not their fault, and you are responsible for harassing a teammate for their mistakes regardless of whether those mistakes were 'doing something off-meta' or 'overextending,' or 'ganking at a bad time' or 'missing CS,' or 'stealing a kill' ... etc.

It's not your place to tell someone else what to play. Doing so politely is fine, but throwing a fit or asking to report them when they don't listen to you is absolutely being a dick.

It's possible to be a dick towards a person being a dick. ~~Gosh it's funny how that works.~~ Just because you think someone else is being a dick does not give you the right to act like an asshole towards them.

Ginger976Jul 6, 20171 votes

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It's not your place to tell someone else what to play. Doing so politely is fine, throwing a fit or asking to report them for not listening though is absolutely being a dick.

It's possible to be a dick towards a person being a dick. ~~Gosh it's funny how that works.~~ Just because you think someone else is being a dick does not give you the right to act like an asshole towards them.

If they know it works, then they have every right to use it to try to win. I play shit like Vi top, and Jarvan mid. I played Fizz jungle back before it got popular. I've done jungle Urgot in the past. It's a completely valid strategy to avoid getting counterpicked, I do this often when I'm first or second pick. And I've had plenty of successful games doing all of these!

Off-meta is not automatically trolling just for being off-meta. if it's something the player knows and uses effectively, then there's nothing wrong with it. And having the occasional bad game is the same whether you're playing meta or off-meta. It's only your perception of the player that changes, because they did something off-meta that you consider to be "wrong" and "stupid" already, so you plug it into your confirmation bias that off-meta is equivalent to trolling and feeding.

I think you need to go back and read my previous post. It boils down to this: If you do something that your team doesn't want you to do, you are creating a toxic gameplay environment, and that is 100% reportable.

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

I understand your point. But it's more complicated than that. It entirely depends on how everyone handles the situation.

With regards to the player that is picking off-meta:

If the player picking off-meta remains calm, explains themselves, and is clearly not trying to piss teammates off, then they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
If that player instead says something like, "disco nunu" or, "have fun trying to win with this on your team" then obviously they are indeed creating a toxic environment.

With regards to their teammates:

If the teammates are polite in asking them not to play it, and remain reasonable while debating the decision with the player, then the environment is not toxic and there's nothing wrong with that.
If those teammates instead respond with negativity and harassment, it is them (and not the off-meta player) who are creating the toxic environment.

Ginger976Jul 6, 20171 votes

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I understand your point. But it's more complicated than that. It entirely depends on how everyone handles the situation.

With regards to the player that is picking off-meta:

If the player picking off-meta remains calm, explains themselves, and is clearly not trying to piss teammates off, then they have done absolutely nothing wrong.

If that player instead says something like, "disco nunu" or, "have fun trying to win with this on your team" then obviously they are indeed creating a toxic environment.

With regards to their teammates:

If the teammates are polite in asking them not to play it, and remain reasonable while debating the decision with the player, then the environment is not toxic and there's nothing wrong with that.

If those teammates instead respond with negativity and harassment, it is them (and not the off-meta player) who are creating the toxic environment.

You conspicuously avoided the single incident that I referred to multiple times. The incident where a player asks to pick something, the other teammates reply politely and ask them not to play it, and then he picks it anyway. That, again, is reportable.

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

Lets go in depth with that shall we?

Scenario one:

The player hovers a champ and then asks the team if they have a problem with it.
Someone on the team says, "yes, please do not play that."

At this point that player offered their teammates the choice. And I agree with you 100%, not listening is absolutely being a dick. I think that if they were going to play it anyway, they shouldn't have dangled a choice in front of their teammates just to snatch it away.

Scenario two:

The player hovers a champion, but does not say anything.
Their teammates ask them to not play that champion.

At this point the player could:

Explain their reasoning.
Ignore them and lock in.

No matter which action they choose though, they are not doing anything toxic. It is rude to not at least acknowledge a request from another person, even if it is to deny it in writing. But this is still not toxic.

Ginger976Jul 6, 20171 votes

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Lets go in depth with that shall we?

Scenario one:

The player hovers a champ and then asks the team if they have a problem with it.

Someone on the team says, "yes, please do not play that."

At this point that player offered their teammates the choice. And I agree with you 100%, not listening is absolutely being a dick. I think that if they were going to play it anyway, they shouldn't have dangled a choice in front of their teammates just to snatch it away.

Scenario two:

The player hovers a champion, but does not say anything.

Their teammates ask them to not play that champion.

At this point the player could:

Explain their reasoning.

Ignore them and lock in.

No matter which action they choose though, they are not doing anything toxic. It is rude to not at least acknowledge a request from another person, even if it is to deny it in writing. But this is still not toxic.

You're overdoing it. Let's break it down to ONE instance, which is the only one I have ever been talking about.

The player hovers a champion and asks the team if they mind the off-meta pick. The team says please don't play that champ, we don't want to play with an off-meta pick. The player picks the champ anyway. Boom. Toxic.

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

A. I already agreed with that.

B. I'm pointing out that not every off-meta pick happens that way. Situations vary, and people's responses matter. It's not necessarily toxic to pick off-meta. It depends on what is said and how everybody behaves.

I'm beginning to think you aren't reading my comments in the first place, but rather just seeing lists and thinking, that's too much to bother reading

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

Ignore Ginger976, they're just being closed minded and mean. You're not automatically a troll for picking off-meta. If you're doing it with the intention of playing to win and not with the intention of pissing your teammates off then you're fine.

Edited for politeness

Telephone BoothJul 4, 20171 votes

They know. They could send personal emails to every player, but there's still gonna be people calling for reports.

HalcyonDwellerJul 6, 20171 votes

It's not even necessary to ask for reports. 1 Report flags the system the same way 9 reports do. It just flags the game for review.

The Fuzzy 0neJul 6, 20171 votes

I saw this post today straight from the mouth of a rioter (so to speak)

Ginger976Jul 6, 20171 votes

OK, so you agreed that I'm right. I wasn't getting that with your responses before. And all of your other points/contribution are not relevant; saying that there is this other instance that ISN'T toxic doesn't contribute in any way. Laddering this back up to the original post, OP said that he was getting reported every match and I said that if he is getting reported every match, then he probably deserves it.