Lee Sin needs a buff

Weegeechai·10/19/2014, 6:14:15 PM·2 votes·2,037 views

Hi there, Gold 3 Jungle main here. Here be my thoughts on Lee, please read it all before criticizing.

Lee Sin is reknown for his high mobility high damage early game. He got hit very hard when Riot nerfed him over and over. He had his passive buffed as compensation, but the attack speed buff for his passive isn't of much use given how useless Lee is lategame. When he was nerfed and got the duration of his shield increased, i was fine with the nerf, as Lee is way too mobile and dominant early. However, when Riot nerfed his cripple attack speed slow, it was way too much for me and a lot of other Lee Sin mains. There are quite a few problems arise after the nerf.

1st: Lee Sin is bad in the lategame, only barely useful when pulling off Insec kicks on enemy high priority targets into own team, which is VERY hard to do given how easy it is to flash away from Lee or to get stopped mid way. He is no doubt one of the worst late game champions and is a heavy burden on the team if the game drags on past 30 minutes. Nerfing his attack speed slow leaves his with almost 0 utility late game but a minor damage dealing nuisance to the enemy team. 2nd: He his known for his high skill cap, a high risk high reward champion. But this is also a very BIG early game nerf to him. He has lost quite a lot of his dueling power and without the slow he can barely farm anymore buffs other than the first blue and red without having his health lowered below half. He might be very efficient at ganking, but unlike malphite vi ww his ganks can be avoided with relative ease. Once he gets behind, he is never going to catch up, nothing but a sandbag for the entire team. He has no hard cc but his ult, and removing his attack speed slow is a very hard hitting to late-game Lee as well as his early game. Now he is a high risk, medium reward jungler, and if the enemy team split-pushes and stalls for late-game. Lee's team might as well go 4v5. Easily reflecting how hard the nerf was is to check his win rate in ranked solo-queue in the past week or month. He is one of champions with lowest win rates along with Yasuo, Elise and so. I would love to hear how you guys think of the nerfs to Lee, whether he is now OP, Balanced or UP. Thanls :)

28 Comments

Jungle Lux God10/19/2014, 6:22:35 PM5 votes

Considering Lee Sin was a high priority jungler at Worlds, there is no real doubt that Lee Sin is still very strong right now.

Also, his late game is supposed to be weak to account for Lee's strong early game.

Woodsy257510/19/2014, 6:24:07 PM3 votes

When a bronzie like me can go legendary by 10 minutes with him like I just did, I disagree. Match history as proof http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1591764805/203593050?tab=overview

Hayaishi10/19/2014, 6:18:41 PM3 votes

Get good, Lee Sin is free elo.

Long Dong Wukong10/19/2014, 7:05:33 PM3 votes

No fuck that.

Don't you fucking dare Riot. Fuck Lee Sin.

ZeroAnarchy10/19/2014, 8:09:39 PM3 votes

He's fine, he doesn't need a buff. Him not being useful late game was intended, not to mention he has a ridiculously strong early game. Never go full damage with him, spirit lizard and a black black cleaver/hydra is the max amount of damage you should be building on him.

Ratbert10/19/2014, 6:56:13 PM2 votes

"one of the worst late game" "high risk" "2 dashes"

nerak2310/19/2014, 11:17:36 PM1 votes

Please Buff him.

Weegeechai10/19/2014, 7:16:29 PM1 votes

Not to mention he can no longer 1v1 bruisers without his attack speed slow and his shield duration is halved.

Leblancs Boob10/19/2014, 6:59:56 PM1 votes

LOL if anything he needs more nerfs

telkie10/19/2014, 11:54:34 PM1 votes

He consistently looses (percentage) the lower tiers (bronze, silver, gold) and then finally up in dia/plat he goes even. Given his skill cap, it's not a surprise that he is where he is. My recommendation: don't pick him unless you have at least plat mechanics.

Quepha10/19/2014, 6:31:35 PM1 votes

they should nerf him some more, or maybe just remove him from the game, everyone would be better off without him.

2000boxes10/19/2014, 7:32:56 PM1 votes

im a bronze player that cna fill and i can assure you that lee is still very very good you just can't build that much damage on him build tank with a spirit lizard black cleaver and thats all you need the rest can be tank and you will still be able to fight and deal a decent amount of damage and the tank allows for some pretty good insec plays