its already bad enough shes practically an unkillable tank that does massive damage.... but whats worse is the slows and freezes + iceborn gauntlet which just makes it near impossible to get away from her -.- remove her CC please or remove the slow from IBC.....
Jamaree3 votes...Sejunai isn't a control mage...she is a tank.
Devilreaper XIII1 votes...Sejunai isn't a control mage...she is a tank.
learn to read.... reading comprehention less than goldfish?
i said : SHE HAS MORE CC THAN A CONTROL MAGE
i never said she was a control mage -.-
YOU PUT THE EMPHASIS ON MY POINT TOO.... my point being she has too much CC.....
PhantomPrankster1 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T13:19:21.541+0000)
learn to read.... reading comprehention less than goldfish?
i said : SHE HAS MORE CC THAN A CONTROL MAGE
i never said she was a control mage -.-
YOU PUT THE EMPHASIS ON MY POINT TOO.... my point being she has too much CC.....
shes a tank, without her CC she is useless. not only that her CC is skill shot based.
Devilreaper XIII1 votesshes a tank, without her CC she is useless. not only that her CC is skill shot based.
dude... we talking 3 slows a knockup and 2 stuns 2 slows last for 3 and 2 seconds thats 5 seconds of slow and has 2 stuns both last 2 seconds thats 7 seconds of CC lets add the knock up thats 0,5 seconds so sejuani has 7,5 seconds of CC in total..... now add iceborn gauntlet to that thats 2 seconds of slow thats 9,5 seconds of FFS CC
i have 5 seconds of CC on zilean and as zyra thats 2,75 seconds of CC...... and sejuani does just as much damage AND absorbs tons of more damage.... but so balanced ofcourse
Chembaron Yamada2 votesHow do you come up with just 2,75 seconds of CC for Zyra? That's just her hard CC. You counted all slows from Sejuani, including slows from items like Iceborn Gauntlet.
Zyra usually builds Rylais, additionally to the slows her plants have themselves. It just seems you are highly biased here.
Devilreaper XIII1 votesHow do you come up with just 2,75 seconds of CC for Zyra? That's just her hard CC. You counted all slows from Sejuani, including slows from items like Iceborn Gauntlet.
Zyra usually builds Rylais, additionally to the slows her plants have themselves. It just seems you are highly biased here.
ok i add 1 second extra.... wooohoooooo 3,75 seconds of CC yeah that compares to sejus CC
PhantomPrankster1 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T13:43:08.262+0000)
dude... we talking 3 slows a knockup and 2 stuns 2 slows last for 3 and 2 seconds thats 5 seconds of slow and has 2 stuns both last 2 seconds thats 7 seconds of CC lets add the knock up thats 0,5 seconds so sejuani has 7,5 seconds of CC in total..... now add iceborn gauntlet to that thats 2 seconds of slow thats 9,5 seconds of FFS CC
i have 5 seconds of CC on zilean and as zyra thats 2,75 seconds of CC...... and sejuani does just as much damage AND absorbs tons of more damage.... but so balanced ofcourse
all abilities that can be avoided
Jamaree6 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T13:19:21.541+0000)
learn to read.... reading comprehention less than goldfish?
i said : SHE HAS MORE CC THAN A CONTROL MAGE
i never said she was a control mage -.-
YOU PUT THE EMPHASIS ON MY POINT TOO....
I was more so asking why you are comparing a control mage to a tank rather comparing a tank to a tank.
my point being she has too much CC.....
Because she is a tank, in turn, her damage isn't as high as a say control mage like Orianna. She can do damage yeah, but unless she is fed, it isn't that extreme.
But yeah, tanks tend to have more CC then control mages, that and being tanky tends to make them you know...tanks.
Devilreaper XIII1 votesI was more so asking why you are comparing a control mage to a tank rather comparing a tank to a tank.
Because she is a tank, in turn, her damage isn't as high as a say control mage like Orianna. She can do damage yeah, but unless she is fed, it isn't that extreme.
But yeah, tanks tend to have more CC then control mages, that and being tanky tends to make them you know...tanks.
BS her damage is still just as high -.-
Jamaree5 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-02-11T13:43:36.299+0000)
BS her damage is still just as high -.-
Because you had no MR, are a squishy champion, AND she was fed. Soraka would be doing that much damage if she was in the same circumstances.
meowwow71 votesyeah that's what i love about people complaining about x champ has too much dmg and said champ does %hp non true dmg because even if you build that "op" 7k hp with no resistances %hp still destroys you and life steal makes you more of liability than an actual tank
Devilreaper XIII1 votesBecause you had no MR, are a squishy champion, AND she was fed. Soraka would be doing that much damage if she was in the same circumstances.
since when do we need to build defence against tanks?
Jamaree3 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-11T13:59:49.813+0000)
since when do we need to build defence against tanks?
Since back in the day when people begged for tanks to get damage so they couldn't just straight be ignored after their CC. That being said, it is just good practice and mages have plenty of items that allows them to get some defenses and plenty of damage.
Devilreaper XIII1 votesSince back in the day when people begged for tanks to get damage so they couldn't just straight be ignored after their CC. That being said, it is just good practice and mages have plenty of items that allows them to get some defenses and plenty of damage.
why is seju allowed to do damage without damage items?
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=00000000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T14:08:08.491+0000)
why is seju allowed to do damage without damage items?
Read again what I just said, because back when tanks were just pure tanky cc machines, people complained that they couldn’t do anything on their own.
Anyone who said tanks shouldn’t do damage was brandished as an idiot or not knowing what they were talking about. Now tanks do damage.
That said, sej’s damage is t that high comparatively so someone like maokai or ornn.
Escheton2 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=00000000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T14:08:08.491+0000)
why is seju allowed to do damage without damage items?
Tanks, by design build tank(y) items. They have bad scaling, so dmg items aren't good buys. But in return they get good base dmg on their abilities. Primarily so they can kill minions and monsters and not get bullied in lane too much.
Which means that Tanks deal more dmg from just having a higher lvl than you. A result of being fed.
Sej in particular deals a lot of dmg because it requires more than just a point and click or skillshot. Most of her dmg is gated behind activating her passive. Which requires either a landed ult and auto to proc, or several abilities and auto attacks. It requires being right in your face. While her dash is on a high cooldown. Which means she is stuck there.
Control mages are known to do all their dmg and cc from a safe distance. Which is part of their power budget. Their cc and dmg usually doesn't have a too unforgiving manacost and cooldown either. So they can either try again, or whittle you down if they don't have the burst for a 100-0.
EndlessSorcerer3 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=00000000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T14:08:08.491+0000)
why is seju allowed to do damage without damage items?
Why do you expect to survive damage without defensive items?
Devilreaper XIII1 votesWhy do you expect to survive damage without defensive items?
cause she is a tank..... i'm a mage with damage, why can't i kill her as well?
EndlessSorcerer3 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=0000000000010000000000010000000000020000,timestamp=2018-02-11T15:12:31.339+0000)
cause she is a tank..... i'm a mage with damage, why can't i kill her as well?
Considering you were Zilean (a support with one offensive ability), I wouldn't expect to kill a tank with 3k+ health in any short period of time. Especially considering you only had Morellonomicon and Sorcerer Shoes for damage against a 3+ item tank.
That is pretty much the opposite of what Zilean is designed to do.
You'd have a better chance if you were a DPS mage with some form of healing/shielding like Ryze, Orianna or Cassiopeia. They actually have the tools to kill tanks.
Devilreaper XIII1 votesConsidering you were Zilean (a support with one offensive ability), I wouldn't expect to kill a tank with 3k+ health in any short period of time. Especially considering you only had Morellonomicon and Sorcerer Shoes for damage against a 3+ item tank.
That is pretty much the opposite of what Zilean is designed to do.
You'd have a better chance if you were a DPS mage with some form of healing/shielding like Ryze, Orianna or Cassiopeia. They actually have the tools to kill tanks.
i can't kill seju either with zyra..... or malzahar @.@ or maokai.... i'm just saying shes a bit too much.
i can stun with zilean and can do significant damage though, but its never enough, whereas she gets to do tons of damage while keeping me locked.
its not just her damage, the main issue is she can lock you for a good 8 to 9 seconds.
meowwow71 votesjust about every class has an mr item to deal with tanks and they affect cc as well
ap: 
assassin/divers:
adc:
support:
p.s. i know that assassin item no longer grant mr but still blocks a spell
Doodlzzz2 votestank - cc = big potato
Devilreaper XIII1 votestank - cc = big potato
than tank - damage = solution
AR URF2 votesYou can't complain about tanks on the forums. All the bronze noobs come to down vote anything unrelated to ADCs being op.
Devilreaper XIII2 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-11T15:10:27.191+0000)
You can't complain about tanks on the forums. All the bronze noobs come to down vote anything unrelated to ADCs being op.
so i noticed.....
adc aren't out of control though O,O sustain is .o. and crit [sg-ahri-1]
but i can safely say tanks/fighters/assassins are out of control either too much damage, cc or overal defence.
AR URF1 votes[{quoted}](name=Devilreaper XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-02-11T15:13:43.898+0000)
so i noticed.....
adc aren't out of control though O,O sustain is .o. and crit [sg-ahri-1]
but i can safely say tanks/fighters/assassins are out of control either too much damage, cc or overal defence.
Actually i think sustain is what Riot should return to. Burst is what's dumb. Well burst crit anyway. And %hp dmg.
Devilreaper XIII1 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T15:26:45.851+0000)
Actually i think sustain is what Riot should return to. Burst is what's dumb. Well burst crit anyway. And %hp dmg.
well the issue with sustain is that, assassins/adc can literally keep themselves alive and outheal the damage to them unless they are being oneshotted, nerfing sustain a bit is a start, and yes the sheer damage needs to go down, as well as caps on crit damage and chance.
i never understood %hp damage -.- it makes games too easy....
Mirrin1 votesApparently I've been playing Sejuani wrong then. I don't have massive damage and don't build Iceborn Gauntlet. Maybe you have found the way to become the ultimate Sejuani? /s
-A Sejuani main
[sg-lulu]
Devilreaper XIII1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dark Maid Lilith,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qT9enFNk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-11T14:21:42.592+0000)
Apparently I've been playing Sejuani wrong then. I don't have massive damage and don't build Iceborn Gauntlet. Maybe you have found the way to become the ultimate Sejuani? /s
-A Sejuani main
[sg-lulu]
was all she needed....