Unique Passives - Maybe diminutive instead?

Imperial Pandaa··11 votes·579 views

Sometimes itemization can be hard if a variety of situations present itself. Sometimes buying a combination of items feels like wasting x amount of gold.

Some examples of this might be the Cold Steel Unique Passive that reduces atk speed when hit. Kind of pointless against Jhin if I buy Randuins to reduce his crit damage more. Yes it might be useful for other enemies on the team, but if I was going to get a Thornmail too, that is basically 1k gold wasted.

Another example might be Catalyst of Eons. Personally I used to buy Rod of Ages and Abyssal Sceptar (rip) on Swain. Now it feels like I need to pick between them and the GPL hextech item or waste 1100 gold.

We have passives that do stack: Energized, heals/shields strength, and I think Dark Seal still does to an extent (as far as potion healing)

Now, I'm not suggesting completely removing all the limits. Teemo knows that will lead to horrible things. I am suggesting diminutive returns as opposed to none. In terms of Cold Steel, it reduces atk spd by 15% for 1 sec. If I bought both I could see reducing atk spd by 30% being too powerful, especially if I have a Frozen Heart with an aura too, making it 45%. But what if I only got like half the benefit from the second cold steel? So 22.5% pre Frozen heart, 37.5% after Frozen Heart. That negates just over 1 atk spd item of an adc? But honestly, am I really going to build all three unless and all ad team?

Otherwise, I would suggest different build paths/finished products. Like a Thornmail with the Cold Steel effect or a different path to build a Thornmail with a QSS and mr but less armour.

To be clear I am not advocating for all Unique Passives to be changed; some are good, like the gold gen items (The thought of a support having all 3 at the same time actually scares me).

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with the answer2 votes

Would make double rabadons a new build, but a very risky build.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I suppose so but that one would probably need to use a sharper dimin return. Because +50% using half would be sort of ridiculous. Especially if it took half of the previous return and they did 6.

However, the focus is more with different items with a shared component than simply buying a same item multiple times.

SanKakU1 votes

Jhin with reduced attack speed means less damage for him overall and also less movement speed bonus on critical strikes.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I, as a bruiser player, really want tanks to be able to get Thornmail to beat the shit out of me and still be able to get Omen and be efficient, thus removing the choice trade-off! /s

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

Admittedly I was focusing more on Cold Steel with adcs in mind. I want Omen to reduce crit damage, and thornmail to reduce their healing from whatever source. I feel it is a waste of 1k gold though because Cold Steel is on both.

AirKingNeo1 votes

But if tanks get buffed, then you'd have to buff marksmen to compensate. I don't want marksmen to get buffed, as a marksmen player.

And no, tanks are not weak against marksmen.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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But if tanks get buffed, then you'd have to buff marksmen to compensate. I don't want marksmen to get buffed, as a marksmen player.

And no, tanks are not weak against marksmen.

If anything, certain tanks could take a nerf or 2.

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Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I'm not saying they are weak. It was just an example. Okay what about Rage or whatever Phage has on it? There have been times where buying a Black Cleaver and Tri Force has been appealing. But it would also feel like a waste of 1200 gold.

If you want to mention marksmen then should mention the Energize Passive. That isn't a unique passive. Having RFC and Static Shive would make the Energize stack faster. Having both and Fleet Footwork would make it even faster than just someone with any single one.

AirKingNeo1 votes

How would it be a waste of 1250 gold? You still get the raw stats of the item.

I don't think Shiv and RFC should be allowed to co-exist, just like Mikeal's and Athene's.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Raw stats are nice but when you have the same unique passive, it reduces the cost efficiency. Like when the runes reforged started and it was actually better to buy multiple Black Cleavers because of the CD and converting CD to damage. The cost efficiency was higher.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Cleaver stacking was a meme

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