Are cool with Vi's passive just being a shitty version of Malphite's?

Kal Vas Flam·Nov 3, 2015·1 votes·530 views

Just curious, or would we like to do something to make it stand out?

Edit: Yes, I already noticed the typo in the title :/

11 Comments

IllllllIIIIlllllNov 3, 20152 votes

ya and zac passive is just shitty version of aatrox's omg nerf aatrox passive Kappa

Kal Vas FlamNov 3, 20151 votes

Those two passives are actually very different.

Malphite and Vi essentially have the exact same passive except:

Malphite's on a much shorter cooldown until around level 12 or so (forget when they even out).
Malphite's kit scales off pure tank itemization making the 10% shield more potent. Pure tank Vi just kind of there in teamfights and is heavily outshined by other tank champions with better CC ults. You need to build some DMG on her which wastes some potential from her shield.
Malphite's passive is free, Vi's cost a minimum of 50 mana to activate.
Malphite's stays up until it is destroyed, making it much more useful for engages and poke. Vi's has a 3 second lifespan.

Sir YamazukiNov 3, 20152 votes

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Those two passives are actually very different.

Malphite and Vi essentially have the exact same passive except:

Malphite's on a much shorter cooldown until around level 12 or so (forget when they even out).

Malphite's kit scales off pure tank itemization making the 10% shield more potent. Pure tank Vi just kind of there in teamfights and is heavily outshined by other tank champions with better CC ults.

Malphite's passive is free, Vi's cost a minimum of 50 mana to activate.

Malphite's stays up until it is destroyed, making it much more useful for engages and poke. Vi's has a 3 second lifespan.

and then you forget the part where it stays off while in combat while she only worries about the cool down... So, in a lane against a range champion she has a passive, and in the jungle she doesn't have to wait between camps to have a passive either.

YumaS2AstralNov 3, 20151 votes

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and then you forget the part where it stays off while in combat while she only worries about the cool down... So, in a lane against a range champion she has a passive, and in the jungle she doesn't have to wait between camps to have a passive either.

Both Vi and Malphite are completely different champions. You can't just compare them because they have a similar ability. Maybe Vi has an inferior Malphite's passive because if she had Malphite's passive to its full effect, she would be overbearing?

Kal Vas FlamNov 3, 20151 votes

Well I mean I can kind of compare them because they do the same thing.

Both have knock-up AoE's, which Malph is better at. Both have a %health passive, which Malph benefits more from. Both have a chase and disengage tool, which is probably a wash between Vi's dash and Malph's slow/haste combo. Both have cone AoE autos, which I would probably give Vi the one-up here except for Malph's also has a massive armor bonus tied to his. Vi's does offer more short-term damage if you chain it.

The only significant difference between the two is Malph has a point blank AoE that scales off armor and weakens nearby AD enemies. Whereas Vi has an AA steroid that lowers the opponent's armor.

I mean it's not like we're talking about black and white champions here, it's more like pea green and sage green. I don't want Vi to be like Malphite, I want her be like Vi. I just think a passive that says "Vi" would make more sense as opposed to a passive that says "lol not-quite Malphite."

Sire HippingtonNov 3, 20151 votes

The HUGE difference between vi and malph: malphs refiles only out off combat, Vi'S in combat. As Vi, it often happens to get 2-3 passive procs in an extendet fight. Malph can't, his is mostly a anti poke tool in lane that helps to mitigate burst in teamfights, While Vi's helps with early trades, junglesustain, and sustained tankiness in teamfights. It's also a great baiting tool, turning around with Q while on low health and haveing the passive back up to survie often turns around a fight.

BattleOxeNov 3, 20151 votes

Did it tday. Enemy GP flamed me so hard for that passive XD

Kal Vas FlamNov 3, 20151 votes

If you're getting 3 passives off in a teamfight I can only assume Europeans are in some kind of attrition meta or something. Most teamfights I'm in last about 6-7 seconds unless it's two tank heavy teams. Maybe early game fights last a bit longer due to less damage being scaled, but her passive's cooldown is also drastically longer early game as well.

It is a good bait tool not gonna argue that point.

Vi wishes she could use hers as anti-poke.

Malph's helps him with early trades, and more often than Vi can use hers for that purpose. Malph's can also be used for jungle sustain, but Vi as a whole does clear a bit faster than Malph, so I would argue that, specific to clear times, Vi is better off regardless of passive.

The whole "Vi's can be done in combat" argument isn't going to win me over. Malph can start the team fight with his up and that's all you need. By the time Vi can get a second passive off, especially early-mid game, the fight is already over anyway.

Drive By MaxNov 3, 20151 votes

Vi also does a lot more damage, there isn't anything wrong with her shield. It's not supposed to make her malphite tankness for free, you have to use it to help out vi in the jungle.

YumaS2AstralNov 3, 20151 votes

You are basically saying that Vladimir 's W is a shitty version of Fizz 's E.

You can't just look into a passive and compare. Yes, Vi's passive is inferior to Malphite's passive, but both are completely different champions with completely different roles.