Ok, so I'm playing ADC and for some reason I back before I get 1550g (+150g for pots and wards).
Let's say I have 800g do I buy 
for ( 
/
) ?
or if I have 900g, do I buy 
?
or if I have 1000g do I buy 
?
or do I go back to lane, buy a few pots and a ward and farm for 
?
Explanations would be very helpful.
MLDzXnRRR2 votesDon't buy boots. Get pickaxe. If you won't fight at all, get avarice.
Lugg2 votesNever build AS until you have a decent amount of AD.
SaltyKracka1 votesNever buy on Ashe.
She wants the stats (especially that delicious nutritious crit chance) from 
way too much.
Saehwo1 votes
also offers the same stats but lower at a lower price. Why not make use of the passive gp10 on ?
SaltyKracka1 votes has 10% less attack speed and 15% less crit chance than
Same type of stats, sure. But they're definitely not the same
JustMyBassCannon1 votesShiv offers +40% AS and +20% Crit, while Phantom offers +50% AS and +35% Crit. As Ashe is not a burst-focused champion, Shiv's passive isn't really worth it, and the GP10 passive on Avarice Blade isn't really worth the garbage stats.
Also, +15% Crit Chance on Ashe is effectively a +15% of AD multiplier. Dealing 145% of your AD is better than dealing 130% of your AD.
Just so you know, you need to hold Avarice Blade for 16:40 minutes and seconds, -6.7 per minion kill, in order for the stats to be worth the gold cost. So you're not actually earning gold from Avarice Blade for the first 8-10 minutes, depending on how well you're farming.
Project Riven1 votesShiv offers +40% AS and +20% Crit, while Phantom offers +50% AS and +35% Crit. As Ashe is not a burst-focused champion, Shiv's passive isn't really worth it, and the GP10 passive on Avarice Blade isn't really worth the garbage stats.
Also, +15% Crit Chance on Ashe is effectively a +15% of AD multiplier. Dealing 145% of your AD is better than dealing 130% of your AD.
Just so you know, you need to hold Avarice Blade for 16:40 minutes and seconds, -6.7 per minion kill, in order for the stats to be worth the gold cost. So you're not actually earning gold from Avarice Blade for the first 8-10 minutes, depending on how well you're farming.
IMO, as Ashe, Shiv is a better choice.
The reason why PD is not better is because Ashe already has an ability to increase attack speed. Giving up the 10% AS to get Shiv for its passive is a better choice.
Another reason is because Ashe's attacks are basically all crits after the first shot. So having crit chance more than 1% only benefits the first shot, rendering the 15% more crit chance on PD not as beneficial for Ashe.
The reason why Shiv is better is because the passive can critically hit. The damage is also modified by items like IE. As Ashe, if you cast Volley on your target than auto attack, you deal an insane amount of damage.
JustMyBassCannon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Project Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pi29fhpT,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-07T12:33:30.819+0000)
IMO, as Ashe, Shiv is a better choice.
The reason why PD is not better is because Ashe already has an ability to increase attack speed. Giving up the 10% AS to get Shiv for its passive is a better choice.
It's a 4-second steroid with an 18-second cooldown, and it's a very small AS increase.
Another reason is because Ashe's attacks are basically all crits after the first shot. So having crit chance more than 1% only benefits the first shot, rendering the 15% more crit chance on PD not as beneficial for Ashe.
Actually, her first attack can't benefit from Crit Chance; that's not the reason you build it on her.
Ashe's Crit Damage scales on her Crit Chance. I don't know if you've noticed this, but the passive specifically states that her modified crits deal 110% (+% Crit Chance) damage.
Shiv makes her crits 130% damage. Phantom Dancers make her crits 145% damage.
The reason why Shiv is better is because the passive can critically hit. The damage is also modified by items like IE. As Ashe, if you cast Volley on your target than auto attack, you deal an insane amount of damage.
The damage is also modified by Ashe's passive, making Shiv's crit significantly weaker if you don't have enough supplemental Crit Chance.
Another point entirely overlooked in this comparison is that Ashe is one of the few champions granted the lowest base movement speed in the game. Being able to walk through minions is a huge benefit for her.
Project Riven1 votesHow about, get rid of that reason to back before 1550. Try to farm to 1550 before you back. Make it a challenge and just heal from your auto attacks until 20% before you consume your pot. That means, try to avoid taking damage as much as possible.
You get better this way.
Saehwo1 votesThat's not gonna work. The purpose of this thread was to explore the item buys if and when I do go back early.
It's not like it happens very often anyway. But it still does happen.
Project Riven1 votesThat's not gonna work. The purpose of this thread was to explore the item buys if and when I do go back early.
It's not like it happens very often anyway. But it still does happen.
I would go with pick axe at 900g and 1000g. If I have 800g, then I would get Avarice for Ashe, any other champ I would just potion up and save for BF. In this case, after I return lane, I would only engage if my opponent adc hasn't backed yet.
NoMonku1 votesIt depends on the lane you are in. I often get a 
if I have enough gold or even a 
to build into a 
if I know I'm going to be in a lane where I need sustain.
I say you should only consider if you are winning hard, feel you can outplay your opponent(you are better then them), or if you need to farm for 20ish minutes+ to get back into the game. I hardly buy this item because it is a risky item. It can work if you are given the time to farm, but if they fight during the time you are farming, you will be weaker then someone who built AD.
can work if you are 
and maybe 
, but outside of these two, I don't really consider getting it. Besides I'd rather get a or in case or a in .
Ace Access 1 votesbuy either or first, then rush 
and get boots along the way
I only get if I can't farm cs long enough due to enemy having to much poke, cc, and jungler camping bot while friendly jungler refuses to help or my supp is a troll or someone below 1lvl0
