Azir?

reformed adc btw·Sep 10, 2015·2 votes·782 views

Lets face it, the Q nerf to Azir was alright in some ways, but the E nerf (removal of knock-up) was unnecessary. In a meta dominated by juggernauts and assassins, Azir is quite vulnerable now (same with other champs but thats for another post). The knock-up was more of a quality of life, hell, why not lower the actual time knocked up? Or extend the cd on E slightly (for the butthurt ). Having to rely on just an ult as a form of CC/disengage is silly (yes I realize you can just W+Q+E away ) .As playing quite alot of Azir, I've noticed E is hardly useful with the shield (bonus health? Really?) and the fact if you E into an enemy champion, you get stuck like a in a windshield with a minuscule shield. I'm not saying he does not fulfill his role as a back line, DPS mage, I'm simply stating that the E knock up removal was not necessary. If any rioter could respond to this it would be much appreciated, or fellow leaguesmen give me your ideas. Thanks for your time.

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xJLx MCHammerSep 10, 20151 votes

Azir is NOT vulnerable.

He has huge range, huge poke, a slow, and decent mobility. He even has an ult to stop divers like those assassins and juggernauts. What MORE DO YOU WANT? Not only is Azir still a lane bully to most champion, he scales incredibly well.

He needs more nerfs and if you don't believe me, just wait. His issue was never the knock up, or that Q nerf. His problem was always the fact that he can W (Arise) from max range and then Q into a champion from a HUGE distance and still get off an AA. His oppressive and that's why he will still be played in pro scene.

Also, like you said, you use E to slam into a champion and while that might sound bad, it's a good disengage and engage tool. It works for multiple scenarios.

Basically, what I'm saying is, a champion who is bot a bully in lane, is a hyper carry late game, doesn't need so much mobility and CC. He has one that is very potent, that's more than enough.

reformed adc btwSep 10, 20151 votes

W from max range and Q costs around 100 mana early game. Oppressive? He gets shit on by all in champs: lb, kat, etc (unless you manage to outplay). Unless you are constantly csing item 1056 you wont have enough mana to consistently harass. Also you can flash his wall or various skills (alpha strike, groot root). The slow lasts around 1 second if I remember correctly and its not even a huge slow. W/e tho, thanks for your opinion!

xJLx MCHammerSep 10, 20151 votes

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W from max range and Q costs around 100 mana early game. Oppressive? He gets shit on by all in champs: lb, kat, etc (unless you manage to outplay). Unless you are constantly csing you wont have enough mana to consistently harass. Also you can flash his wall or various skills (alpha strike, groot root). The slow lasts around 1 second if I remember correctly and its not even a huge slow. W/e tho, thanks for your opinion!

Every pro player has admitted that Lb can no longer beat an Azir in lane without heavy ganks.

Mana cost? Sorry there is a thing called blue buff

The slow only last one second but that's what enables an Azir to W>Q>1AA with almost no counter play.

Flashing an ult? You have 3 min cools down vs 140sec ? K

Lord AzırSep 10, 20151 votes

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Azir is NOT vulnerable.

He has huge range, huge poke, a slow, and decent mobility. He even has an ult to stop divers like those assassins and juggernauts. What MORE DO YOU WANT? Not only is Azir still a lane bully to most champion, he scales incredibly well.

He needs more nerfs and if you don't believe me, just wait. His issue was never the knock up, or that Q nerf. His problem was always the fact that he can W (Arise) from max range and then Q into a champion from a HUGE distance and still get off an AA. His oppressive and that's why he will still be played in pro scene.

Also, like you said, you use E to slam into a champion and while that might sound bad, it's a good disengage and engage tool. It works for multiple scenarios.

Basically, what I'm saying is, a champion who is bot a bully in lane, is a hyper carry late game, doesn't need so much mobility and CC. He has one that is very potent, that's more than enough.

How many Azir games have you played? If you ever played him, you would know if he gets shut down early the game is basically over unless you get hard carried. Which is why he has a 41% win rate. Just picking Yasuo Fizz Zed Talon Lux KogMaw Varus makes the game extremely hard for him. Especially with the movement speed nerfs. The minute Fizz, Yasuo or Zed hit level 6, you have to stay so far back away from them (basically hide under tower), because if they land their ulti on you and you don't PERFECTLY time yours. It almost always ends with you dying.

xJLx MCHammerSep 10, 20151 votes

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How many Azir games have you played? If you ever played him, you would know if he gets shut down early the game is basically over unless you get hard carried. Which is why he has a 41% win rate. Just picking makes the game extremely hard for him. Especially with the movement speed nerfs. The minute Fizz, Yasuo or Zed hit level 6, you have to stay so far back away from them (basically hide under tower), because if they land their ulti on you and you don't PERFECTLY time yours. It almost always ends with you dying.

I played over 30. Not many, but I've fought vs one more than enough. I've watched pro players, and those same players talk about Azir.

He doesn't get shut down that easily. He is not ap kog, or cass. He isn't in the feast or feed category. Regardless, even if he is, Draven is a lot like that. Being in this category doesn't mean a champion can't be op.

Winrate? 41% oh no ! Is that why pro players still pick him? Leblanc had 42% winrate and she still was picked in pro scene. She finally got nerfed (w) and they stopped picking her.

So fizz yaspu and zed? You mean Azir like any other hyper carry needs to stay away from assassin? Holy crap! I didn't know that? Weren't assassin create to kill mages, and other carries? Holy crap!

Regardless, he has his ult to stop zed, Yas, or fizz was engaging. Granted it won't really work against a good Fizz

Lord AzırSep 10, 20151 votes

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Winrate? 41% oh no ! Is that why pro players still pick him? Leblanc had 42% winrate and she still was picked in pro scene. She finally got nerfed (w) and they stopped picking her.

So fizz yaspu and zed? You mean Azir like any other hyper carry needs to stay away from assassin? Holy crap! I didn't know that? Weren't assassin create to kill mages, and other carries? Holy crap!

Regardless, he has his ult to stop zed, Yas, or fizz was engaging. Granted it won't really work against a good Fizz

I've had over 500 games as Azir, trust me when I say if you get decently behind in lane the game is over. All his damage comes late game, so if that's delayed even further he's useless. His winrate for games under 30 minutes is only 35%, this jumps to 48% during the 40 min mark. So yeah it really is "feast or feed". I doubt he is going to see much pro play after the last set of nerfs. The last LCS game where Azir was played was on 5.15, we are on 5.17 now and a few HUGE Azir nerfs have come online since then. Dropping his winrate from 47% to 41% the lowest in the game. As for them being able to kill him, he is tied with the slowest champion in game with the movement speed nerfs, it's almost impossible to dodge fizz ulti now without having to flash, same goes for any other champs that rely on skillshots.

NoMonkuSep 10, 20151 votes

He needed the nerf. Maybe you aren't/weren't abusing him the way he could be used, but other players were. He had almost NO counterplay while dealing a lot of damage through all stages of the game. Any champions before that actually had a chance to dive into him would get knocked up, thrown away with his R, and then either killed or he'd make his escape. Without the knock up now he has an actual window where he can be attacked from instead of turning your advantageous positioning into him killing you.