Before any buffs happen to Assassins and their items, Rengar needs looking at
Gut the knifecat
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Rengar 100-0ing carries is not the problem. A lot of champions can do that. For example, it is pretty difficult to stop a Zed or Talon from 100-0ing you with ult, or to dodge a flash Tibbers combo from Annie.
The difference between Rengar and these champions is that an assassin such as Zed has clear indicator of when he is about to attempt the kill, and there are ways to stop him. A Zhonyas or QSS will significantly reduce Zed's damage output. Likewise, well-timed CC can stop him.
For Talon, he needs to have his ultimate up, and he cannot unleash his combo until after he has appeared behind you. Even though the window is small, during his animation some champions can get away or an ally can save them.
Annie needs to have stun, Tibbers, and flash up to do the combo. It is technically impossible to react to it without predicting it, but she will most likely be in vision before she uses her combo, or she has out played you by having vision on you while you do not have vision on her. It is also entire possible to poke her down or out right burst her first with the right team comp.
Rengar on the other hand only has the tiny exclamation mark. With Ghost Blade, by the time the mark shows up, it is already too late. in addition to his ability to cast Bola and Roar mid air, his target is probably dead by the time he lands. The only way to stop him is to spot him with a pink ward or tower.
Rengar needs to be easier to react to. Perhaps buffing Oracle Lens to reveal him and extending the exclamation mark range of his ultimate to all champion he has true vision of would be changes in the right direction.
bursts your whole team, no one bats an eye.
kills your full offensive build adc/ap and everyone looses their minds.
Maybe just learn to counter play and get better?
I main the adc role so I basically hate playing against a fed Rengar BUT if he oneshotes you something went wrong the whole game over. Without items Rengar is weak and his first clear in the jungle is also pretty bad. You can deny him by invading him with a strong early game jungler. Other ways to beat him are to just build a Zhonias as apc. He will have a way harder time oneshotting this person. If Rengar isn't fed he won't instagib you, he will morelikely 2-3 shot you and you can deny that by having a support like Janna or Tahm. A Guardians Angel is also really strong against Rengar.
How about you come with a solution , oh , you great champion designer instead of QQ'ing ?
Unfortunate for you Rito doesn't listen to every QQ thread >.>
Let the downvote begin
I'd say riot needs to put back in the game the PINK trinket so you can have pinkwards even late game
I wouldnt want him gutted but a few nerfs on him and talon would be nice.
Is the new assasin item out this patch i didnt see it in the notes
and people defend rengar lmao.
Now imagine how this would play out if he was nerfed. (I have more of these, btw)
Granted....
- it was a normal blind pick
- the Nidalee was Mid and the Rengar was Top
- our adc was an Aatrox (so there wasn't really anyone for him to get fed off of)
So he can't burst you as fast. Someone's gonna need to pop that sh*t first if he want to empower Q before the leap
So he'll more likely hesitate to jump on you
He's gonna be hurting himself
Invincibility on short cd
CLICHE ADVICE HEERREEEE
And his main weakness, like most assassins, is grouping up. Never go alone if there's a Rengar on the other team, that's how he gets fed. I'm just a Silver player, I'm already expecting the downvotes lol.
This again? He does his job. He kills the squishy damage dealer fast. And unless hes absolutely terrfyingly fed, or you all play the game by mashing your noses on your keyboards, hes only gonna kill 1 and die by himself. Personally, i have no problem with any of the assassins atm. Except maybe jax. Screw jax. But nobody should get gutted.
Any actual suggestions on how we can balance rengar more instead of "gut him"?
i think his 100-0 is fine, pretty much every other assasin can do it, the problem is that you have little to no time to react to him jumping at you from stealth
tbh, rengar can't even really use the new item anyway. also he's one of those champions that a ga rly hurts.
You know, I'm going to be honest here.
After checking out Rengar's ult details a bit... does he really need the stealth?
Obviously unseen predator works when he's stealthed, but couldn't his ult be changed so he can still leap from a distance without the invisibility? Yeah, that's quite a bit of power away from his ultimate and power budget, but it seems to be the source (although not apparent, the whole "instant death" thing kind of distracts you from it) of everyone's frustrations.
Yeah, you'll probably die in one combo, but at least you'll see him running toward you like a madcat. Even large cats (lions and shit) leave their stealth when pursuing prey over longer distances, stealth is for when you've snuck up on them and to surprise them.
Rengar will not build the new item.
Yo, he already deleted you in 0.5s, why bother buy something that deals dmg 3s later?
In the immediate, perhaps yes, but it would be nice if he also eventually had his gameplay issues solved. The issue with Rengar isn't so much that he's OP (his win rate is about 51%, which is decent for a champion with a moderate level of kit complexity), it's that he's so feast-or-famine that he can snowball super hard off of the slightest lead and end up killing squishies with minimal counterplay, and that's what gets focused on, in spite of the fact that he becomes near-useless if he doesn't get that lead.
As a champion capable of initiating combat on-demand from massive ranges and able to pass through most enemy defenses during that time, Rengar should probably have little to no upfront burst no matter how fed he gets, yet right now his entire worth is based on his ability to double/triple-Q on top of WE within the first fraction of a second of jumping onto his target, which is why he's so binary. He should definitely lose the ability to kill squishies at a time when they're still processing that they're being attacked, but then he should also likely be given tools in compensation, such as better escapes or more gold-agnostic power, which would allow him to be useful without needing to snowball.
Last game, I was 10-0 as Ezreal bot lane. Everyone was dominating. And then Rengar carried the enemy team to victory. It was 100% him. We couldn't kill him or survive more than a millisecond. Absolute horseshit.
Here's what Riot's gonna do. They're gonna release the new assassin item. They're gonna buff Zed and Khazix on top of this. Then 6 months later in the mage rework they're gonna lower Karthus's armor by 6. That's it.
Rengar is his Q. The fact he can apply an auto-attack modifier so frequently makes him broken regardless of any other change. If you stack AD and ArPen, and are able to apply your resulting stat 3x, you're going to do 1-shot levels of damage.
Rengar?? Hey Shaco, go gut the cat in his jungle... Too easy.