Give kindred a +5% Ad scaling Ratio on her Q? Wolf area stays on top of her?

FEDXSai··1 votes·466 views
Kindred

I was just wondering if increasing her potential scaling could make her a viable champion? currently her Q ratio is only 20% AD which is just incredibly low for anyone that's not a tank; the meta is favorable for her as is so increasing her % health damage would only grant her insane power in the meta, but currently her spells restrict one another because her w limits her potential leaps and the reduction that it applies doesn't include CD until After the frenzy reduces her Q instead of speeding up all the cd in a single moment because that would give her infinite leaps. so its ideal to give her better scaling. OR her allies heal could scale but the enemy heal doesn't? meaning that lambs respite level three would heal your enemies for 200 and yourself for 300. any opinions? because she cant even outscale a graves atm without going 8-8 with each kill granting a mark and if you ward her mark she'll be forced to remain at the mark or over pressure one side of the map granting her enemies constant awareness of where shes at. removing global mark visibility and leaving the mark hovering over a camp is also a GREAT way to buff her as it doesnt reveal as much information to the enemy team.

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Hige2 votes

the reason for Q to be only 20% is because it's an autoattack reset, you can effectively attack 3 times when you cast Q if you time it correctly, this would mean that the skill has 220% AD ratio...

removing the marks from the enemy would need to reduce the mark's power greatly, that said I don't think the mark should last forever as it currently does, if the mark stayed in place for only 30 seconds, the enemy would need to react faster to it, warding it inmediately would probably be effective but if Kindred is smart about it she'd wait until the mark dissappears...

Wolf area being static is kind of the point on the skill, there would be no interaction whatsoever but the press of a button to increase damage dealt (like Xayah) yeah it makes her more powerful but also a bit more boring, don't you think?

The buffs to lamb's respite make sense though!

FEDXSai1 votes

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the reason for Q to be only 20% is because it's an autoattack reset, you can effectively attack 3 times when you cast Q if you time it correctly, this would mean that the skill has 220% AD ratio...

removing the marks from the enemy would need to reduce the mark's power greatly, that said I don't think the mark should last forever as it currently does, if the mark stayed in place for only 30 seconds, the enemy would need to react faster to it, warding it inmediately would probably be effective but if Kindred is smart about it she'd wait until the mark dissappears...

Wolf area being static is kind of the point on the skill, there would be no interaction whatsoever but the press of a button to increase damage dealt (like Xayah) yeah it makes her more powerful but also a bit more boring, don't you think?

The buffs to lamb's respite make sense though!

I can see reason in almost all the things you're saying :p and yes wolf isnt very fun to use its all about her Q but does it really need to be an auto reset? youre constantly building attack speed and if you mark kept bouncing around i would have no problem with that either

my problem with kindred is that if i don't get my marks i cant gank but i need to get marks from ganks if im getting starved by the enemy jungler constantly counter ganking the opposite side of my mark while their laners roam to protect against invades and if i do decide to gank anyways and ignore these rules then im dying to get a kill and that's assuming that the enemy jungler doesn't counter gank me. that's how you play kindred outside of the solo rift herald that redkind can do (personally, I've practiced it on previous patches and i don't understand how he does it LOL) so im limited in options when my opponent actually knows what they're doing from the start of the game. but since kindred is always building attack speed losing that auto reset is seriously no problem to me as an ex kindred main (i cannot climb with this champion) then again, i find very few high elo players playing this champion because of how you cant use your ult whenever you like; you have to hold onto it for when your team is about to get wombo'd like a guardian angel past 30 mins i just don't know what to do when im behind i just CONSTANTLY feel at a lost :/

Hige1 votes

yeah I understand what you're saying, sadly though I think if they take the autoattack reset from Kindred, her early game would suffer quite a bit...

I know that what you want is for her to be strong enough to be playable competitively but I think she can still be played somewhat succesfully, 51% winrate across all elos says a lot about this

Maybe try exploring the build the pros are using, currently it seems like they're using utility based builds like Ashe, item 3071 item 3085 item 3022 with these three and with your autoattack reset you'll be lowering the enemy's armor pretty quick...

I don't play Kindred (at least not in the jungle ;) ) but I think that item 3812 + item 3153 + item 3072 would be something impossible to deal with on her or... on anyone actually but even more so on Kindred who can avoid death altogether and who has not 1 but 3 autoattack enhancers (Q, Wolf area and third hit from E)

Of course though, hunting for her marks is of utmost importance, whether on the jungle or on enemies and I think that the change should be done here and nowhere else... the idea of showing marks only temporarily sounds good but beyond that I think marks having infinite amount of stacks is pretty crazy, as a matter of fact Marks should only appear on champions and legendary monsters (rift herald, dragon, baron) it shouldn't even matter if they have the mark or not, just by killing them you should gain your %hp dmg

This would also limit the amount of marks you can get as opposed to having infinite scaling, only 5 from champions (with cooldown between marks procced) and only 6 from legendary monsters (4 dragons, RH and baron) what do you think?

FEDXSai1 votes

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yeah I understand what you're saying, sadly though I think if they take the autoattack reset from Kindred, her early game would suffer quite a bit...

I know that what you want is for her to be strong enough to be playable competitively but I think she can still be played somewhat succesfully, 51% winrate across all elos says a lot about this

Maybe try exploring the build the pros are using, currently it seems like they're using utility based builds like Ashe, item 3071 item 3085 item 3022 with these three and with your autoattack reset you'll be lowering the enemy's armor pretty quick...

I don't play Kindred (at least not in the jungle ;) ) but I think that item 3812 + item 3153 + item 3072 would be something impossible to deal with on her or... on anyone actually but even more so on Kindred who can avoid death altogether and who has not 1 but 3 autoattack enhancers (Q, Wolf area and third hit from E)

Of course though, hunting for her marks is of utmost importance, whether on the jungle or on enemies and I think that the change should be done here and nowhere else... the idea of showing marks only temporarily sounds good but beyond that I think marks having infinite amount of stacks is pretty crazy, as a matter of fact Marks should only appear on champions and legendary monsters (rift herald, dragon, baron) it shouldn't even matter if they have the mark or not, just by killing them you should gain your %hp dmg

This would also limit the amount of marks you can get as opposed to having infinite scaling, only 5 from champions (with cooldown between marks procced) and only 6 from legendary monsters (4 dragons, RH and baron) what do you think?

ehhhh her scaling is like Nasus its totally manageable and that's what compensates for her range outside or her ultimate radius and again; that works against her allies. so she becomes dependent on items when she cant grab her marks but she cant even farm unlesss she grabs her marks for q damage so she cant even farm to get these items unless you're laning with her, and if you are then you're not even using mark damage haha but if you get % health damage from just killing things then you can become unstoppable and that's not very fair for your opponents who haven't see you in the first 13 mins of the game

Hexs Fortune2 votes

I feel kindred's problem is how difficult it is for them to fit into team comps.

They are decent right now, but after laning its rough not being able to lead objective battles

FEDXSai1 votes

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I feel kindred's problem is how difficult it is for them to fit into team comps.

She's decent right now, but after laning its rough not being able to lead objective battles

that's assuming you can solo the enemy jungler; kindred has alot of unfavorable matchups because of how slow her dps is during the lane phase so she can easily find herself under constant harassment by an enemy jungler i do think she should be harassed but it shouldnt prevent her from enjoying the game and feeling like nasus permanently withered her; i don't think shes comfortable past 30 minutes and yes she does have a hard tme with lane objectives but she can solo drake early so its a decent trade!

AzureKindred2 votes

After half a million mastery points on Kindred I think the only problem is that they essentially have no impactful basic abilities, countered by an ult that's... pretty good i guess. Kindred's base stats are also extremely low. So you have no base stats, and no good basic abilities. Kindred is just an auto-attack machine, with a very low ranged auto attack, with low base damage... The Q is a nice jump and auto reset, but it's outclassed by any other mobile champion. The damage on W and E have very weak and easily avoided damage. The slow on E is useless. The W is only used to empower the CD on Q. All their abilties feel fair and strong at level 3-5, but fall off unless you are way ahead of the enemy. Essentially we have a champion that is only strong when they manage to get tons of marks, and even then... tanks can just build armor and less HP now to counter the marks' damage.

Will likely quit league of legends because my favorite champion is so weak no matter how much i practice with them.

FEDXSai1 votes

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After half a million mastery points on Kindred I think the only problem is that they essentially have no impactful basic abilities, countered by an ult that's... pretty good i guess. Kindred's base stats are also extremely low. So you have no base stats, and no good basic abilities. Kindred is just an auto-attack machine, with a very low ranged auto attack, with low base damage... The Q is a nice jump and auto reset, but it's outclassed by any other mobile champion. The damage on W and E have very weak and easily avoided damage. The slow on E is useless. The W is only used to empower the CD on Q. All their abilties feel fair and strong at level 3-5, but fall off unless you are way ahead of the enemy. Essentially we have a champion that is only strong when they manage to get tons of marks, and even then... tanks can just build armor and less HP now to counter the marks' damage.

Will likely quit league of legends because my favorite champion is so weak no matter how much i practice with them.

i think increasing her e slow and reducing enemy healing to reamin at 200 health could greatly increase her impact because if you cant get your mark then all you can really do is farm until 6 THEN approach the mark, i agree with you on EVERYTHING you're saying and i understand your pains but don't quit! i will misss you senpai!!

FEDXSai1 votes

maybe giving wolf 80% of her ad could work as well since it honestly doesn't feel like your playing as wolf hes more like a burn. edit: i could also see wolf staying alive after Lamb passes

FEDXSai1 votes

my point being that 2 of her 5 kits spells are potentially favorable for both sides; can you say the same about any other champion?

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