Nami gets a huge utility buffs while Sona remains untouched

DJ Sona Buvelle·Aug 9, 2015·21 votes·2,547 views

Surging Tides (Passive) movement speed bonus for allies when hit by a spell increased to 60 from 40. Tidal Wave (R) [new effect] "Allies hit by the wave gain double the effect of Surging Tides"

This is a freaking huge buff for Nami and it makes her have extreme utility and easy engages if she uses her ult. Imagine her with Sivir and Righteous Glory in the same team.

Sona still remains untouched. Her E has 350 range and it's so small that you need to touch your ally to have the movement speed.

Give Sona utility buffs for her E. More movement speed, lower cooldown, lower mana cost, increased AP ratio, bigger self buff movement speed, bigger movement speed buff for allies, ANYTHING for this ability!

31 Comments

CreationFlawAug 9, 201523 votes

I mean Nami actually takes a bit of skill.

Penguin EclipseAug 9, 20155 votes

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I mean Nami actually takes a bit of skill.

I know you are trolling but in reality you are right. Riot considers Sona too easy of a champion. She will likely not receive buffs until she receives yet another rework because the last rework was not successful.

CreationFlawAug 9, 201515 votes

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I know you are trolling but in reality you are right. Riot considers Sona too easy of a champion. She will likely not receive buffs until she receives yet another rework because the last rework was not successful.

I wasn't trolling. Sona's entire skill base is right click, three auras, and an easy to hit ultimate.

And her damage is pretty damn high, and with an aoe ultimate, it's not exactly a hard lane half the time unless it's graves/leona

DJ Sona BuvelleAug 9, 20151 votes

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I wasn't trolling. Sona's entire skill base is right click, three auras, and an easy to hit ultimate.

And her damage is pretty damn high, and with an aoe ultimate, it's not exactly a hard lane half the time unless it's graves/leona

Yeah i'm not complaining on her damage or ultimate. I only want some utility buffs for her E (not damage/heal relative).

PartholonianAug 10, 20152 votes

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I wasn't trolling. Sona's entire skill base is right click, three auras, and an easy to hit ultimate.

And positioning as an extremely squishy, immobile champion with all short ranged abilities and no non-ult cc to get away if you get jumped. It's true that not dying is one of the hardest things about playing Sona. But not dying as Sona is actually, legitimately, significantly harder than not dying as almost anyone else.

RatbertAug 10, 20151 votes

Really, sona has trouble against any tank engager, which just so happens to be the most common type right now.

IcyPepperAug 9, 20156 votes

I know you are trolling but in reality you are right.

Wut.

Morgy MorgyAug 9, 201510 votes

who wouldnt want to touch sona? C:<

Mecha MaIphiteAug 10, 20152 votes

Taric

idokiAug 10, 20151 votes

Ezreal

CasterGilgameshAug 9, 20153 votes

well i guess i good buff to start off with for sona would be to buff her "aura" range so that she doesnt get blown up in team fights then buff her base heal or her base shield and give her speed bost an ap scale and make it last longer

TotalJerkAug 10, 20153 votes

She's a terribly designed champion and she needs another rework.

CreationFlawAug 9, 20152 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtdaVudMn8

Ah yes, because people want this to be buffed.

DJ Di0Aug 9, 20152 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtdaVudMn8

Ah yes, because people want this to be buffed.

Every clip was shown with Sona and her team having a huge lead, and she used her abilities on squishies.

ErockandrollAug 10, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ov3wXdwp,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-08-09T23:02:12.423+0000)

Every clip was shown with Sona and her team having a huge lead, and she used her abilities on squishies.

??

Not to mention that those were full AP Sona. Of coarse your going to one shot squishies with Lichbane, deathcap, voidstaff, and a mejia's.

But this is a good reason to buff her e. And everything else really. If Sona got nerfed because her poke was becoming oppressive, they should have put that power back on her utility. I might also suggest either a general MS buff, or longer up times with her auras. Make it so that sona can actually move around the battle field and reach all members of her team.

DJ Di0Aug 10, 20151 votes

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Not to mention that those were full AP Sona. Of coarse your going to one shot squishies with Lichbane, deathcap, voidstaff, and a mejia's.

But this is a good reason to buff her e. And everything else really. If Sona got nerfed because her poke was becoming oppressive, they should have put that power back on her utility. I might also suggest either a general MS buff, or longer up times with her auras. Make it so that sona can actually move around the battle field and reach all members of her team.

Yeah, there's lots of things that Sona could use instead of damage. E and W buffs seem to be what most people in this thread have agreed on. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lguOHsOp-can-sona-at-least-gain-back-half-of-her-missing-health-ratio-on-w

JefftiffyAug 9, 20157 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtdaVudMn8

Ah yes, because people want this to be buffed.

I'm sorry but that's a level 18 Sona vs. lvl 11-14 enemies. Who the fuck fed sona that hard.

And if she's so good. When was the last time she was used in the LCS. I vaguely remember S3 being her last major use. She may have seen a little use in S4 when her Qs hit harder but I remember watching people all in her at lvl 1 and kill her like 4+ times on streams because she can't really do anything against all ins.

only zhuleAug 10, 20151 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtdaVudMn8

Ah yes, because people want this to be buffed.

This might surprise you but most of the time a mage champion with 600+ AP will hit like a semi-truck without breaks.

ProfirixAug 9, 20152 votes

Sona is fine. You just need to play her mostly AP support. She relies on her damage to make an impact in the game and combined with her ultimate to do well in teamfights. Unlike other supports, just building support items does not work for her.

DJ Di0Aug 9, 20153 votes

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Sona is fine. You just need to play her mostly AP support. She relies on her damage to make an impact in the game and combined with her ultimate to do well in teamfights. Unlike other supports, just building support items does not work for her.

That's the problem.

You build glass cannon and have to have near-perfect positioning or else you melt.

Build support items and you're just a stun bot. Might as well turn her into a midlaner if they want to keep her so ap item dependant.

Sakura MirageAug 9, 20151 votes

Gonna leave this out here sona is cancerous to play against in s1/s2 nobody wants her buffed. She is a champ that when buffed community will riot for ages.

TarynAug 10, 20151 votes

Okay first of all what you meant to say was; "Sona WAS cancerous to play against in s1/s2" because those seasons are in the past. For reference S2 was in 2011-2012, so basically you're saying that three years later when Sona is highly outclassed she shouldn't be buffed because she was once an actually decent champion.

You're an idiot.

A Miss FortuneAug 9, 20151 votes

I used to main Sona before her nerfs and a while after them, which I believe was still during the time assassins pretty much fulfilled every role but Support.

I think Sona could use small buffs. While I will say that she's a surprisingly strong mid laner since her Q/Passive combo can literally one shot someone on top of Lich Bane, her Supporting ability isn't the best. I would say make her E stronger, lower the mana costs on her W, and also buff her W shield duration.

only zhuleAug 10, 20151 votes

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I used to main Sona before her nerfs and a while after them, which I believe was still during the time assassins pretty much fulfilled every role but Support.

I think Sona could use small buffs. While I will say that she's a surprisingly strong mid laner since her Q/Passive combo can literally one shot someone on top of Lich Bane, her Supporting ability isn't the best. I would say make her E stronger, lower the mana costs on her W, and also buff her W shield duration.

THIS, this is what i am talking about. Someone else who understands that her W needs to not cost so much early game and the shield needs to last long enough to actually block some damage if you aren't already in the middle of a fight when you use it.

I think she would be fine with like a 20 mana reduction in the rank 1 of her W, but the mana increase per rank should be up'd to 10 per rank instead of the current 5. Also the shield should probably last about twice as long, maybe make it add .5 seconds per ally you tagged if you don't want it to be a flat 3 seconds regardless. 3 seconds isn't super long, and even with full CDR you can't keep the shield up forever like say Janna with her's.

I would like to say though that she's in an odd spot when you look mid, she can be super powerful if you build her full AP, BUT with the limit of 1 damage spell outside of ultimate, it's really hard to handle creep waves until you get Lich bane. She use to be a powerhouse in mid, but that was because of her auras, higher base amounts on both damage and heal, and the fact that her spells were all on much lower cooldowns (i think they all got 2 second added to them when the rework happened). I could be wrong here but i think her powercord also use to hit for 200% damage if you had empowered Q up.

RpgDuskyAug 9, 20151 votes

Sona would have to stop being an auto lock champion to get buffs that wouldn't make her op, she's just one of those champs.

1000angrybeesAug 10, 20151 votes

It was suggested in another thread that sona should receive better choices for her passive (specifically diminuendo and tempo). Diminuendo needs more noticeable effects, both visually and performance wise. Tempo was suggested to have its slow get stronger with every rank, and at rank 5 turned into a root. making her passive types have better effects makes her not only more reliable, but makes her play smarter. If you need damage, go with a Q to proc staccato. If you need to win a fight through less brute force and instead weakening the opponent, use W to proc diminuendo. If you need to chase or escape, but don't want to possibly whiff your ult, proc tempo. buffing her passive to have better utility instead of putting it on her actual abilities is a very plausible take on giving her extra oomph without making her outclass anyone else.

(though I will say, her W and E still do need some sort of small buff. a little bit less mana and/or more oomph would be nice.)

ZeranaAug 10, 20151 votes

I think that since only one ability is offensive in any way outside of her ult (and passive) she could stand to see a couple buffs but she may not get anything major for awhile for obvious reasons. A simple yet powerful buff is to make her ultimate get buffs by last spell use much like her passive does now, and was proposed pre rework. Not sure why it was considered a bad idea, alot of champs are ult dependent on getting solo kills so why would it be bad if she was too?

Proposed changes pre rework

Hymn of Valor modification: Sona's ult duration makes enemies take 10% more damage Aria of perseverance modification: Sona's ult Stops health regen and doubles surrounding allies health regen for 3 seconds after the ult duration Song of Celerity modification: Sona's ult slows the attack speed of enemies for 3 seconds after the ult duration and increases the attack speed of nearby allies.

DeBigMoistAug 10, 20151 votes

leo and thresh exist sona needs some love

Hatless CasualAug 10, 20151 votes

I agree she needs SOMETHING! Whether it's some buffs/changes to her utility abilities or maybe even a near ground up redo. She's either a gift from the gods of old or completely useless and is reported no matter what she actually did.

She just needs some kind of change, wasn't her current state supposed to be a "temporary change" anyways?

Earl EulrichAug 10, 20151 votes

yea, sona dirly needs a buff to finally reach a stable 60%winrate -.- her e already is one of the strongest abilities in the game, if you don´t see that better stay away from playing Sona.