Thoughts about Zoe

Evíl cookie·9/14/2018, 8:27:20 AM·10 votes·7,927 views

Hi everyone!

Playing against Zoe at the moment can be really frustrating but playing as her is really fun (most of the time :D). There are 2 things I would really love to change in her kit:

Portal Jump

If Zoe gets rootet/knockuped after blinking to the target position she sould stay at this position till the end of the root and blink backwards after the root duration.

This adds simply more counterplay options and Zoe has to think of it before going in.

Sleepy Trouble Bubble

If Zoe miss this skillshot the field should slow the opponent on it (the field is getting you tired) instead of the same effect as hitting the skill.

The zoning effect is really really powerful and sometimes it is better to miss this ability. If you hit someone you should get rewarded more than missing.

21 Comments

BlackEyesBlue9/14/2018, 12:22:46 PM6 votes

My God it's been almost a YEAR!!!!

"ZOE is frustrating! rework or delete immediately!" so sick of this....

Yas, Zed, LeBlech, Fizz, and Talon have been much more frustrating for MUCH longer.

They can be addressed, THEN start looking a Zoe.

D357R0Y3R9/14/2018, 8:45:18 AM5 votes

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If Zoe gets rootet/knockuped after blinking to the target position she sould stay at this position till the end of the root and blink backwards after the root duration.

upvoted just for this

I hate the zoe circle jerk, but that suggestion is infinitly better than "cancel the portal if she gets cc'ed so she's unable to play the game"

you deserve +1

Jaspers9/14/2018, 9:07:24 AM4 votes

Both suggestions (although you labeled them both '1' :P) are good. Better than the normal arguments for straight nerfs.

Her E is always going to be an issue based on it's design, a skill shot, which range can be extended if thrown through walls which slows for 1.4 seconds then stuns for 2.25 seconds, totalling 3.65 seconds of CC. If you miss it, it leaves a zoning trap which if stepped on starts the same 1.4 then 2.25 seconds process. Plus can be shot from through a wall 1000 unit away or point blank and it does the same thing. Plus the damage and true damage enhancement. That's a lot. (It used to also have a cooldown reduction on hit).

Rewarding her for missing her skill shot with the same duration stun because of a massive trap kind of make it feel too forgiving when you compare it to Xerath's stun or Morgana's Q.

Change you suggested seems like a fair balance, the 'trap' will only make you drowsy but make it last like 2 seconds up from the 1.4, so at least you have time to get a Q shot in.

wildfox999/14/2018, 6:03:36 PM3 votes

Sleepy Trouble Bubble

If Zoe miss this skillshot the field should slow the opponent on it (the field is getting you tired) instead of the same effect as hitting the skill.

The zoning effect is really really powerful and sometimes it is better to miss this ability. If you hit someone you should get rewarded more than missing.

what if it the zone works like Viktor W?

you get slowed inside it and if you stay for X time you get the sleep (and the damage amp)

also i think the real problem is that she can point blank it,it's really frustrating not to being able to engage her because if you try she will throw her E in your face blocking your combo (not every champ can reach and kill someone in 1.4 sec especially in early game) and oneshoting you or almost,if she really need she can use her ult as disengage right after she hit her E and when she comes back you are CC'd so she can run away

i mean,i'm fine if she can oneshot me as long as i can do the same,but when she's so hard to engage when you are not an hard counter/you are not in team it feels really unfair (yeah i know my main Ahri actually share the same problem but it's not like the reasonable part of her playerbase is asking to fix it since the season 5...)

mack91129/14/2018, 1:56:10 PM1 votes

The zoning portion of the bubble is being removed after world's.

RainXBlade9/15/2018, 4:33:11 AM1 votes

Honestly I would love her design and gameplay, if CertainlyT didn't overload her kit with so much free stuff.