Thoughts about Zoe

Evíl cookie·Sep 14, 2018·10 votes·7,927 views

Hi everyone!

Playing against Zoe at the moment can be really frustrating but playing as her is really fun (most of the time :D). There are 2 things I would really love to change in her kit:

Portal Jump

If Zoe gets rootet/knockuped after blinking to the target position she sould stay at this position till the end of the root and blink backwards after the root duration.

This adds simply more counterplay options and Zoe has to think of it before going in.

Sleepy Trouble Bubble

If Zoe miss this skillshot the field should slow the opponent on it (the field is getting you tired) instead of the same effect as hitting the skill.

The zoning effect is really really powerful and sometimes it is better to miss this ability. If you hit someone you should get rewarded more than missing.

21 Comments

BlackEyesBlueSep 14, 20186 votes

My God it's been almost a YEAR!!!!

"ZOE is frustrating! rework or delete immediately!" so sick of this....

Yas, Zed, LeBlech, Fizz, and Talon have been much more frustrating for MUCH longer.

They can be addressed, THEN start looking a Zoe.

Evíl cookieSep 14, 20185 votes

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My God it's been almost a YEAR!!!!

"ZOE is frustrating! rework or delete immediately!" so sick of this....

Yas, Zed, LeBlech, Fizz, and Talon have been much more frustrating for MUCH longer.

They can be addressed, THEN start looking a Zoe.

Pls stay on the topic and give constructive feedback/replies. It isn't helpful just to say that you think other champions are frustrating too to play against. If you feel like Zoe is fine and/or my suggestions are bad we can discuss.

BlackEyesBlueSep 14, 20183 votes

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Pls stay on the topic and give constructive feedback/replies. It isn't helpful just to say that you think other champions are frustrating too to play against. If you feel like Zoe is fine and/or my suggestions are bad we can discuss.

You're talking about gutting a champ YOU find frustrating. That R change would destroy her! Learn NOT to blow your cc on her when she Ults. It's the most common mistake I see people make playing against her. Removing this much utility would truly make her a walking one shot machine.

All I read was "I hate Zoe topic #100000" by yet another person who refuses to learn her counter play.

RanmaruSep 14, 20182 votes

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You're talking about gutting a champ YOU find frustrating. That R change would destroy her! Learn NOT to blow your cc on her when she Ults. It's the most common mistake I see people make playing against her. Removing this much utility would truly make her a walking one shot machine.

All I read was "I hate Zoe topic #100000" by yet another person who refuses to learn her counter play.

Bbbut I can't dodge a E that doesn't go through minions pretty slow and medium sized skillshot! Because it's not like if I don't get hit by zoe e I can just avoid her q! /S

d9u7c1anhSep 15, 20182 votes

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Bbbut I can't dodge a E that doesn't go through minions pretty slow and medium sized skillshot! Because it's not like if I don't get hit by zoe e I can just avoid her q! /S

I mean if that is so easy then pro would have no problem against her.

RanmaruSep 15, 20182 votes

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I mean if that us so easy then pro would have no problem against her.

If it was as easy as just kiting urgot then pro would have no problem with him /s

d9u7c1anhSep 15, 20181 votes

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If it was as easy as just kiting urgot then pro would have no problem with him /s

I never said anything about Urgot... and how can you kite a range champ as a meele tank? Not to mention i don't think his role in teamfight is chasing people and blow them up.

RanmaruSep 15, 20182 votes

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I never said anything about Urgot... and how can you kite a range champ as a meele tank? Not to mention i don't think his role in teamfight is chasing people and blow them up.

Well I mean you did just say then they would not be a problem in pro due to a counterplay. Can't you just kite urgot with an ashe vayne or kaisa? Therefor he can't be picked in LCS! /S

d9u7c1anhSep 15, 20181 votes

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Well I mean you did just say then they would not be a problem in pro due to a counterplay. Can't you just kite urgot with an ashe vayne or kaisa? Therefor he can't be picked in LCS!

Urgot is usually pick in pro play against a top laner that is not very good at kiting and he actually win a lot of match up right now. That mean he have a lane priority in pro play (a good thing after the jungle change). After the laning fight (the part where the ADC start kiting Urgot), his job is not trying to get to them abd blow them up but to be a tank which good damage and some utilities (so who give a shit about ADC kiting him). And about Zoe, what did her job is? From what i know, most of her job is to blow up her and the only way for she can do that is do the (R)-E-Q-( sometime W)combo, the combo that even pro player have a hard time dealing with (of cource sometime she would you her E to zone).

RanmaruSep 15, 20181 votes

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Urgot is usually pick in pro play against a top laner that is not very good at kiting and he actually win a lot of match up right now. That mean he have a lane priority in pro play (a good thing after the jungle change). After the laning fight (the part where the ADC start kiting Urgot), his job is not trying to get to them abd blow them up but to be a tank which good damage and some utilities (so who give a shit about ADC kiting him). And about Zoe, what did her job is? From what i know, most of her job is to blow up her and the only way for she can do that is do the (R)-E-Q-( sometime W)combo, the combo that even pro player have a hard time dealing with (of cource sometime she would you her E to zone).

be a character who can burst you from far away but fail in close range

D357R0Y3RSep 14, 20185 votes

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If Zoe gets rootet/knockuped after blinking to the target position she sould stay at this position till the end of the root and blink backwards after the root duration.

upvoted just for this

I hate the zoe circle jerk, but that suggestion is infinitly better than "cancel the portal if she gets cc'ed so she's unable to play the game"

you deserve +1

Fízz v2Sep 14, 20181 votes

I mean If she gets ccd once with that change she is probably gonna get ccd again and die anyway lul

D357R0Y3RSep 14, 20184 votes

still worth trying that change

I think zoe would be normally in a better spot if riot just increased E damage tbh

the problem with release zoe is that she could have killed you with a single Q (without E) then they nerfed Q damage but buffed point and click damage Just buff E damage and reward her for E+Q+R combo

JaspersSep 14, 20184 votes

Both suggestions (although you labeled them both '1' :P) are good. Better than the normal arguments for straight nerfs.

Her E is always going to be an issue based on it's design, a skill shot, which range can be extended if thrown through walls which slows for 1.4 seconds then stuns for 2.25 seconds, totalling 3.65 seconds of CC. If you miss it, it leaves a zoning trap which if stepped on starts the same 1.4 then 2.25 seconds process. Plus can be shot from through a wall 1000 unit away or point blank and it does the same thing. Plus the damage and true damage enhancement. That's a lot. (It used to also have a cooldown reduction on hit).

Rewarding her for missing her skill shot with the same duration stun because of a massive trap kind of make it feel too forgiving when you compare it to Xerath's stun or Morgana's Q.

Change you suggested seems like a fair balance, the 'trap' will only make you drowsy but make it last like 2 seconds up from the 1.4, so at least you have time to get a Q shot in.

D357R0Y3RSep 14, 20184 votes

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which slows for 1.4 seconds then stuns for 2.25 seconds, totalling 3.65 seconds of CC

Stun? it wears off the 0.1 sec you get damaged it's not a stun, it's a sleep and it's only a total of 3.65 sec cc if you don't get damaged

it's as strong if less strong than veigar's aoe 2.5 sec stun

JaspersSep 14, 20182 votes

I get ya but I'd prefer the 2.5 (level 5) second stun over potential 3.5 (level 1). Just sitting there being slowed then 'asleep' waiting for that true damage Q is painful, plus Veigar maxes the cage last, so it's 1.5 for most of the game.

StupaflySep 14, 20181 votes

her q doesnt do true damage.

The second proc on her e does true damage.

Votable JesterSep 14, 20182 votes

A lot of Veigars at least used to put 3 points into E before maxing W (all after Q).

wildfox99Sep 14, 20183 votes

Sleepy Trouble Bubble

If Zoe miss this skillshot the field should slow the opponent on it (the field is getting you tired) instead of the same effect as hitting the skill.

The zoning effect is really really powerful and sometimes it is better to miss this ability. If you hit someone you should get rewarded more than missing.

what if it the zone works like Viktor W?

you get slowed inside it and if you stay for X time you get the sleep (and the damage amp)

also i think the real problem is that she can point blank it,it's really frustrating not to being able to engage her because if you try she will throw her E in your face blocking your combo (not every champ can reach and kill someone in 1.4 sec especially in early game) and oneshoting you or almost,if she really need she can use her ult as disengage right after she hit her E and when she comes back you are CC'd so she can run away

i mean,i'm fine if she can oneshot me as long as i can do the same,but when she's so hard to engage when you are not an hard counter/you are not in team it feels really unfair (yeah i know my main Ahri actually share the same problem but it's not like the reasonable part of her playerbase is asking to fix it since the season 5...)