Can someone explain to me why old Zac ult is coming back?

Kindless·May 15, 2019·2 votes·2,230 views

I saw a video of latest PBE cycle where Zac's ult is rewerted to his pre-reworked state, and that quite baffled me. I heard and saw that there are some complains and cries of "Zac mains" spreaded out through League Boards and reddit pages, but it still makes no sence for me other than a nostalgia. And goofiness of old ult.

To be quite frank, I never really was a competitive player outside of normals with my time spend mostly on Howling Abyss, but I played old Zac at least several times and new Zac is my go to jungler if I get filled into the role. And I appreciate his current ult more, especially that in my opinion it have almost everything that the old one did and more, maybe except the damage, but I always build him tank, so I don't care.

Old Let's Bounce! gives him bonus MS and makes him bounce around several times, dealing damage and knocking back enemies (additional hits on same target doesn't knock back and deal less damage). New Let's Bounce makes him untargetable and creates a zone that has two uses depends on how long Zac charges. If you just tap it or hold it lesser than a second you knockback them, dealing damage as well, which is the first instance of old Zac ult. Charge it up to 2.5 seconds and you can carry enemies who stand on top of you a target distance, which is useful for combos after E and Q and wombo combos of other team members. You literally have a one bounce of old ult or a 's Realm Warp against enemies if you set it up properly. It serves more purposes and still requires precision of landing your E and/or Q to perform it.

Or maybe old ult was just easier, just get in and click.

9 Comments

ThingamajigMay 15, 20192 votes

because people enjoyed the chaos from the first ult over the insane power of the current ult

Chembaron YamadaMay 15, 20192 votes

Not to mention that Zac's kit has way better synergy with the new ult...

MidEvilKnight3kMay 16, 20192 votes

The issue is not that the new ult isn't fun or isn't good, it's that the new ult is way too powerful. Zac already has the longest range engage in the game that makes him unique. The new ult gave him the ability to not only engage fights from fog of war, but to also bring the fight back to his own teammates. This is an immense amount of power that no other champ is close to having. As a result they had to reduce Zac's combat ability dramatically to make him balanced. The ult revert is not only giving him more damage on his ult, but it's also accompanied with a buff to his w. I suspect they will be giving him more buffs as well as he will still have a weaker w than pre-rework.

I also liked the old ult because it gave him more to do during the fight (which oddly enough is one of the things they said they were trying to solve with the rework). Also the old ult synergized with his passive and w, so if you were able to pick up blobs while still hitting people with your ult, you could cast w several times during the ult doing more damage and producing more blobs.

KindlessMay 17, 20192 votes

Longest range engage that is telegraphed so hard, enemy must be tunnel visioned to even get hit, especially with telegraphing the landing area of his E. I think it is already enough drawback to not make his current ult to do additional stuff than bounce enemies once or walk towards and bounce back enemy backline even further or frontline closer. As I mentioned, his new ult does the same as older, just a single instance of bounce over the same area as the fling if you tap the R button. And the while the overall damage was reduced, as you mentioned, the combo and damage potential is still there, just focused more on the teammates rather than dishing it out himself. I don't bother with Zac having no damage if he has such combo and CC potential and unique ability to literally AoE Blitz Hook enemy backline if you land your skillshot longest range engage and time your R hold properly.

Old ult giving him more to do... Bounce around, collect blobs and W... While with his old Q I think this was done for the better, his new ult makes him use his entire kit after only tapping or after 2-3.5 seconds if you channel and execute the fling. Especially that Zac normally want to E into R, then W when he flings them and if you picked two people, you can Q them together for even longer CC. And for those that think that his kit is no fun to enemies when played well... Sidestepping and movespeed is no fun for skillshot engagers when played well.

MidEvilKnight3kMay 21, 20191 votes

I guess we disagree then. I preferred Zac when he had more personal combat ability and sustain (more blobs with old ult). Plus I didn't like the new ult more than the old ult. If reverting the ult can get the combat ability back I'm taking it.