Lissandra: Passive Rework Idea

FiddleFister69·Apr 30, 2018·4 votes·3,833 views

Many Liss players know that her current passive is kind of boring and only compensates her early ridiculous Q mana cost. Also, the old mana flow band was a way better version of her passive. So I came up with a totally new approach:

P - Curse of the Iceborn: Lissandras spells apply "Curse of the Iceborn" to targets. If a cursed target suffers movement impairments (includes slows, stuns, roots, knock-ups, suppression etc BUT only from champion abilities) for 3 seconds within 6 seconds it is grounded for 2 seconds slowing it by 5/10/15/20%. 6 seconds cooldown per unit.

For Visuals I had in mind, that icy claws lock onto affected enemies, similar looking to her E.

This definitely amplifies her as a CC-lockdown mage and makes her the absolute assassin counter. Also, I would love to see her W being cast like Vlads E, where she is rewarded for not instantly using it.

EDIT: -Removed ability to re-apply the effect. -Duration lowered by 1 second. -Added that only champion abilities count towards movement impairments. -Lowered slow by 5% on all levels (1/6/11/16). -Added visual note.

12 Comments

ModThe DjinnApr 30, 20185 votes

I think this ability is a little too strong as written -- it's a grounded buff AND a slow for several seconds, and can be triggered by something as small as a slow, which means Rylai's/Frozen Mallet/Iceborn Guantlet/Glacial Augment/Ashe means that no one can use mobility spells ever.

If it was something like 1-2 seconds of grounded when a cursed target is hard CC'd, I think you'd be in a much better spot.

FiddleFister69May 1, 20181 votes

With slows I kinda meant champion ability slows like her current passive, which also doesn't include slows from items or summoner spells or other sources. My bad that I didn't mention it.

ModThe DjinnMay 1, 20181 votes

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With slows I kinda meant champion ability slows like her current passive, which also doesn't include slows from items or summoner spells or other sources. My bad that I didn't mention it.

I still think that makes it too strong, while also making it harder to understand, as now it only works on SOME slows. I still think my suggestion (reduced duration, only after hard CC) would be a better way to approach the design.

FiddleFister69May 1, 20181 votes

Hard CC can be really rare in some team composition and also I kept in mind that Lissandra should be able to proc her passive by herself without her W on rank 5. I don't see why it should be difficult to understand on what slows it works, especially because her current passive works the same way, but sure it could lead to confusion when people expect a by an item or redbuff slowed person not being grounded by her passive. I forgot to mention the duration nerf to 2 seconds in my edits.

ModThe DjinnMay 1, 20181 votes

{quoted}Hard CC can be really rare in some team composition and also I kept in mind that Lissandra should be able to proc her passive by herself without her W on rank 5.

She's be able to proc it with a single Q/E + W, as ALL her spells apply it as you have it written. The issue with slows is that they're far too common, and often exist as repeated micro-slows, so something like Lissandra / Nunu could effectively permanently ground a target.

I don't see why it should be difficult to understand on what slows it works, especially because her current passive works the same way, but sure it could lead to confusion when people expect a by an item or redbuff slowed person not being grounded by her passive.

The catch there is Lissandra's works only with HERS, which is shorthand for "using Q, W, or ult on a non-CC immune target." When you extend that to EVERY member of the cast it becomes difficult to remember what triggers it and what doesn't.

ShaydroxApr 30, 20182 votes

That sounds beyond broken. If people get both slowed and grounded, with a possibility of refreshing that, they're left with 0 options.

FiddleFister69May 1, 20181 votes

welp I guess removing the option to refresh it would be better than. Also, the slow is only there because right now all grounds also apply slows, and it would be kinda weird to break that rule because to me it makes sense that if somebody can't use their mobility spells they also are slowed even if only by a little bit.

MohawkBirdApr 30, 20181 votes

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FiddleFister69May 1, 20181 votes

I only added the slow because right now all grounds, meaning Singed and Cassios W respectively, also apply a slow, which makes sense since if somebody is prohibited to dash or blink they might as well be slowed.

PopcornBunniApr 30, 20181 votes

I'd rather something that hones her in as a battlemage. She has most of the common traits of the class including low cooldowns, self recovery/protection, and low range, but is categorized as a burst mage, presumably because she's gated by windows of usability with her passive.

Something that capitalizes on her combos which are normally restricted to pot shots by her mana.

Embodiment of Dark Ice: Lissandra gains stacks of Dark Ice by applying crowd control to enemies (Both abilities and effects from auto attacks or items). At 100 stacks, Lissandra gains Iceborn's Wrath for 4 seconds, causing her basic abilities to have a 50% reduced cooldown and cost no mana. Lissandra can not gain stacks of Dark Ice while Iceborn's Wrath is in effect.

Stacks gained: Slows: 4/8/12 at level 1/6/11 Roots and Stuns: 8/16/24 at level 1/6/11 Enemy minions and monsters grant 25% of the normal stack amount.

The concept is the same, but gives her more spaced out instances of higher power, rather than being largely a non-factor for both her and her opponent

FiddleFister69May 1, 20181 votes

I'd love to see her pushed more as a battlemage too, but given how reliable her R is, I don't think that giving her dps like a Ryze is healthy for her balance. Rather something like sustain or additional utility.

PopcornBunniMay 1, 20181 votes

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I'd love to see her pushed more as a battlemage too, but given how reliable her R is, I don't think that giving her dps like a Ryze is healthy for her balance. Rather something like sustain or additional utility.

I mean, she wouldn't need the extra CDR necessarily, but rather have opportunities to use her full kit unabraded.