Galio's Q...Really guys.....

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I... its... Nvm.

Good news is i just got promoted to B1. Time for silver. I will do it within the next 5 days!

The matchmaking on PBE is weak because the number of players is low, and with new content it's hard to judge power because people haven't yet learned how to play as or against it.

No. This excuse makes no sense when the changes are ridiculous even on paper. You don't even need to load up a game to know that these Galio changes are dumb.

I play a game, go 0/9 to my lane, but when i have 3 items I throw out Qs until the enemy team gets hit by one and they have to recall.

That's not fun as the person against it, and it's funny but not fun as the person playing it.

[{quoted}](name=Gentleman Gustaf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=okMW1rUO,comment-id=0003000000010002000000020001,timestamp=2017-10-26T21:38:20.349+0000) That is not to say there is no introspection as to the root cause of something releasing with such an unhealthy pattern as current Galio and how to avoid such releases in the future, merely that PBE feedback is not a consistent solution to that problem.

I would hope so, because no matter how many posts Riot makes about how hotfixes are easier and going to be more commonly used now, the last 4-5 months have felt like Riot does not have its shit together on the initial release front.

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The matchmaking on PBE is weak because the number of players is low

maybe this issue should be looked at? maybe every once in a while the pbe account could just copy the mmr from the player's main account to try and get better matches. maybe IP/XP rewards for playing games should be transferred back to the players' main accounts as if they were playing a normal game on the main servers?

Playtesting may be inconsistent, but spreadsheets never lie! I'm certain the current numbers on Galio's Q would look problematic if you compared them against similar spells from other ap bruisers, or just mages in general, at different ap values.

I don't understand how that is a valid argument if playtesters will be fewer than the amount of users playing on the PBE? Yes the playtesters are there to do diligence and make sure the game is balanced, but as mentioned above they were looking for the optimal build and are not looking at the extremes on any end of the spectrum. Which is why we are here.

And as for my thoughts, screw balance, yolio the golem, full ap is dank.

As the playtester (no longer) who presided over the Skarner changes, this is exactly why the PBE is not a great place for balance feedback.

No, Skarner WAS weak on the PBE, was overbuffed right before the thread closed, and there wasn't enough time to gather more feedback on him before it went live. That had nothing to do with the quality of PBE games or any inherent problems with feedback from the PBE. 63% KR winrate skarner had nothing to do with PBE at all but was a result of insufficient testing.

Skarner went on the PBE on 8/4 to negative feedback because he was weak. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/84-pbe-update.html#more

Overbuffs to Skarner came out 8/6. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/86-pbe-update.html#more

The PBE thread was closed on 8/7 and no further feedback was taken into consideration, https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/d2bmpMif-skarner-pbe-changelist-and-feedback-thread

Allong with some small nerfs on 8/7. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/87-pbe-update.html#more

But the PBE thread had already been closed. If you had listened to your PBE testers they would have (and some did try to) give you the feedback that he was too strong after the buffs. (i would link the threads created by PBE players but thinking about filtering and searching from the PBE boards 2 years later gives me a headache)

Stop trying to silence the feedback from your PBE players by bringing up an example that they weren't given time to speak up about. Skarner came out too strong because you shut down communications with your PBE testers too soon, not because of the quality of the balance feedback given.

Because you need testing to realize that a +3% per 100 AP on top of a .9 APR is ridiculous, I question whoever thought this was a good idea to begin with on top of the massive APR buffs on his passive and E.

Wasn't Skarner OP because you guys closed the feedback thread and STOPPED listening to feedback that he was too strong? Wasn't he OP because (I remember this distinctly, I was there) you guys implemented nearly all suggestions instead of some when it was clear only some should have been done?

I vividly remember when reading through suggestions and you guys saying what you were putting through and I remember even the comments that suggested them. You took too many at once. Without consideration that they were separate ideas. At all. It's retarded, but somehow it's our fault.

If they haven't yet learned to play against or as, how the fuck does the whole buff come into place. Basicly you're changing an honestly viable Galio, into a Deathfiretouch champion, or for that matter, why Evelynn buffs, when obviously no one has yet to master her? You're counterdicting yourself as every other Riot employee defending Galio is. You should get SO FU£:D!G PUNISHED FOR YOUR ABUSIVE (GENERAL) META BEHAVIOUR. You're honestly asking me to quit your manipulative game. Quite honestly, I've never been this dissatisfied with Riot, and you fucking need to get punished for your lack of brain in handling the game. There are so many aspect of the patches I want to flame you for, such as Karma nerfs before ardent nerf, 3rd leblanc rework, again you show you're not competant in your own expertise, handling Lucian, Kindred, making new champs rather then updating Malphite, Aatrox, Udyr and many more, as if you're so obsessed with people buying RP to get new stuff that you don't actually give a FU£:D!G SH!T ABOUT THE GAME. Wake the f:Dck up and manage your game.. I wish there was a better game out there so I didn't have to worry how you manipulate this game. Close to not being worth it anymore

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Hey all,

As the playtester (no longer) who presided over the Skarner changes, this is exactly why the PBE is not a great place for balance feedback.

Darius was perceived as OP and was OP. Skarner was perceived as weak as shit and was most definitely not. I think he hit 63% in Korea, because that number still haunts my dreams.

The matchmaking on PBE is weak because the number of players is low, and with new content it's hard to judge power because people haven't yet learned how to play as or against it.

That is not to say there is no introspection as to the root cause of something releasing with such an unhealthy pattern as current Galio and how to avoid such releases in the future, merely that PBE feedback is not a consistent solution to that problem.

As a Skarner player with a lot of hours trying new items, new strategies i will be glad to help with suggestion or even data. He is a very solid champion if you and your team mates knows how he works but i think you guys don't give the attetion he needs.

Just another Skarner Penta