ziggs passive

artsoul·Mar 16, 2016·5 votes·3,720 views

Does some know if ziggs passive apply deathfire touch ? or if count as 2 hit for thunderlord ? thk

17 Comments

RiotRiot SotereMar 16, 20161 votes

It doesn't apply DFT or count as two hits for TLord's.

PennsMar 16, 20161 votes

It doesnt give 2 stacks of Thunderlords? :o I really expected it to lol.

ZerfallenMar 16, 20162 votes

On-hit effects are counted as part of the AA and not separate.

Otherwise. in theory. if you had two on-hit effects and auto-attacked, you would proc Thunderlord's immediately.

PennsMar 16, 20162 votes

Well Lux passive gives 2 so I thought Ziggs passive did as well :s

ZerfallenMar 16, 20163 votes

Her passive isn't an "on-hit effect" because it triggers the damage, not as part of the AA, but as part of the passive's debuff being removed by the AA.

RoodToobMar 16, 20162 votes

Khazix passive counts as two hits though

ZerfallenMar 16, 20161 votes

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RoodToobMar 16, 20161 votes

Didnt know about the second Muramana proc, wow

Sire HippingtonMar 16, 20161 votes

it doesn't count as a second AA, it just uses on-spell effeckts, wich incloudes thunderlords, dft, rylias or muramana, though theoretically they changed muramana a long time ago to not double proc on AA-modifiers that use on-spell, it was pretty absurd on jax as befor that, W and Ult would double proc it. However, don't ask me why Kahs passive or jax'sstuff does use on-splee, but ziggs passive doesn't, that's beyond me and i honestly think riot simply does not a have a clear line on what such stoff counts as proc(which uses no on-spell or similar things) and which actually is counted as spell damage...

cuddlykitten4Mar 17, 20161 votes

or double Nasus stacks....mmmmmmmm double Nasus stacks.....

MunchCrunchLunchMar 17, 20161 votes

ekko's E counts as 2 hits towards tld and its only an on hit effect. so do most things. don't make stuff up please

ZerfallenMar 21, 20161 votes

Ekko's is E a bit different due to it being treated as a spell+AA (Empowered AA) versus Ziggs' Passive which is only consider an AA + an on-hit effect.

Please do check for yourself.

Or just think of Teemo's E, Riot treats Ziggs' Passive the same way.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 22, 20161 votes

nope. you don't know what your talking about.

artsoulMar 16, 20162 votes

thanks for the anwsers

SouL1essMar 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaob0lUT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-16T17:55:59.571+0000)

It doesn't apply DFT or count as two hits for TLord's.

So why does Lux passive count?

And Kassadin W?

Edit: specifically, for the thunderlord's decree part.

Ant ReformedMar 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaob0lUT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-16T17:55:59.571+0000)

It doesn't apply DFT or count as two hits for TLord's.

It should at least count as two hits for TLD.

ZerfallenMar 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oaob0lUT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-16T17:55:59.571+0000)

It doesn't apply DFT or count as two hits for TLord's.

So, just to clarify, Ziggs' Passive is treated as an AA + an On-hit effect (Like Teemo's E for example) whereas the other abilities people have mentioned (Kassadin's W, Lux's Passive, Kha'Zix's Passive) are treated as an AA + a Spell?