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Can we stop

Support Position·6/30/2019, 4:00:00 PM·7 votes·2,491 views

Making any more champions please. And completely stop reworking till you actually want to touch EVERY single champion EACH patch and not leaving any of them out. Always a change to them EACH patch please.

Its literally unbearable how you change ANYTHING to 1 champion or release them. And guess what? More things we need to ban.

Its time to COMPLETELY stop. And make patches monthly. EVERY. SINGLE. CHAMPION. Needs to be balanced EVERY patch.

And make X.XXA/B/C/D patches to HARD nerf community outages due to your lack of experienced people that balance the game. It's infuriating.

*This is not a "rant post" this is a feedback post that the game needs to start doing.

EDIT: Also runes reforged was a failure and needs to be reverted. Playuers should have choices to go against terrible matchups. And defend their weaknesses with small coverups or give themselves more damage to CS or poke better in lane. It's not very hard...

EDIT 2: A lot of answered concerns/feedback in the comments of what I feel and what would be the saving grace of this games plagued balance and champion designs etc.

27 Comments

Critmaster Garen6/30/2019, 4:04:59 PM3 votes

do you know the puzzles where you have to hit buttons in a certain sequence to form a specific pattern of blocks or other shapes? each button or lever has an on/off state and connects to one or multiple pieces and you have to figure out which one connects to which pieces and then how to activate them in the correct order. if you do it in the wrong order, the pieces misalign.

what youre proposing to do is to hit all the buttons at the same time. it doesnt work.

the game is too complex and there are too many champions that are all interacting with each other, all pushing each other up and down in power as they themsleves get buffed or nerfed.

you buff enchanters? you also buff marksmen, but nerf assassins.

you nerf marksmen, you nerf the game impact of assassins, and buff bruisers.

this is just how some of the classes interact. there are also interactions between specific champions, where when you buff one champion, you also buff 10 others and nerf 10 others all with probably uneven gains and losses.

the impact of most of those buffs only becomes clear after they actually have been in play in millions of games on live servers, in most cases. you simply cant balance them all in the same patch. the simple truth is, riot should have stopped at a 100 champions. maybe even before.

at this point the game might still be balancable(?) where every champion still has a place, but it will take a very very long time to figure out how or how to get close, and only by gradually buffing and nerfing a few champions each patch. this means some champions will almost never see changes anymore.

they have reached a point in number of champions where they cant even accurately predict themselves anymore what side effects buffing or nerfing of an item or champion can cause if they try balance too many of them at once. add on top of this, that they constantly keep forgetting why they have buffed, nerfed or introduced a certain mechanic in the past.

BigBellBrute6/30/2019, 4:18:38 PM3 votes

Asking every one of over 100 champions to be perfectly balanced is asking for every champion to be identical because that is the only way to do it.
Do you in fact want every champion to be identical?

Darwin Award6/30/2019, 9:06:59 PM3 votes

This is a rant post. It's not feedback, because you demand things. While you have relevant points, you're also just complaining about a lot of stuff.

Your chief gripe seems to be that not every champion is touched every single patch. Nevermind the mathematic Olympics that would involve, it's also an enormous amount of manpower every 2 or so weeks.

Worth note that several of the champions you want to ban don't actually need to be banned, and still others have distinct counterplay that you just don't seem to feel like mastering.

Also worth noting that without citing information or sources, you should refrain from saying player base is declining. I'm not saying you're wrong... Just that you're making unconfirmable remarks in conjunction with a shit post in the first place, which makes it hard to take you seriously.

If the game bothers you this much, if it's dying (and "dying" socially means you must not be able to personally enjoy it), perhaps you should quit instead of making unreasonable demands. Just an idea; your blood pressure might appreciate it.

Harden Stepback6/30/2019, 4:39:34 PM2 votes

Riot game$

cant stop wont stop

SammyDayspring6/30/2019, 5:42:06 PM2 votes

With Runes Reforged and all of the new mechanics, they have made the game too complicated. They don't balance it properly because they simply can't. There are too many moving parts for them to track. Add to that trying to balance pro play vs solo, terrible match making algorithms, etc., and it's not too hard to see why it is out of control.

Makattack6/30/2019, 6:26:59 PM2 votes

This will never happen. The best we can hope for is Riot to adopt better champion balancing principles when creating new champions and reworking older ones.

preternatural6/30/2019, 7:10:10 PM2 votes

can't you just learn to play against something instead of banning it? i mean shit i literally never have to face a stupid ass illaoi ever when i play top cause that bitch get's banned, by me, every time.

Beerstein6/30/2019, 7:23:16 PM2 votes

The concept is fine. But all at once is bad. The ones with the most outlying win rates maybe.

They do need to stop releasing as they've completely lost control of balance though. They won't though. Once a moba takes over league, which shouldn't be too far off I think, League will become a meme about 500 champions, which is also why I don't think League is too far off from being taken out by something better.

Sylaelque6/30/2019, 4:11:55 PM2 votes

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Modl Ryden l6/30/2019, 6:51:20 PM2 votes

I agree, I am not a fan of how many champions there are in the game. It's like having to play Pokemon Blue and Red version with how many champs there are in the game. Which is kind of cool? But also super overwhelming to new players and people who keep up with the game.

Another downside I find is that the lore, although has been getting a lot of makeover, just seems a bit shoehorned with the new arrivals of champs. "Introducing Xayah and Rakan of the Vestayan race"

"But also, Ahri, Rengar, Wukong, are also of Vestayan background."

"And also here's Neeko, just by the way in case you wanted some more Vastayan lore .

"And finally Neeko and Nidalee are a thing for the fandoms out there yeah."

"Thank you fore reading our lore on the ancient, deciduous, and indigenous tribe of the Vastayans Don't forget to buy skins and merch to represent your Vastayan affinity."

Call Me Nana6/30/2019, 6:37:21 PM1 votes

I dont know if this would be possible with all the considerations you have to take into account.

Champion numbers
Itemization
Runes

It'll just be too hard to balance everything at one time, even if everyone sees an adjustment. Youd see a lot of 'generalist' gameplay- this is what lead to an increase in Orianna, Taliyah and Syndra picks a while ago. Everyone was doing things so specifically, there was no one to do a decent job at everything, which is what teams needed.

In addition- they seem to only care about balancing around pro play. We've received a very large number of patchnotes that specifically state "too overwhelming in pro play" so they nerf the shit out of everything of that champ except the 0.00001% that is pro.

This game is one big "yikes" lately.

Rıots Bad Client6/30/2019, 8:03:25 PM1 votes

The dream would have League of legends Odyssey level stuff for EVERY champion for runes. (Not the same level of broken abilities runes)

Just Change a champion so you can play around One ability. or the kit. So you really play a champions you want to play.

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O Fallen Scholar6/30/2019, 7:41:26 PM1 votes

No.