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Something different.... Even though I think it'll be downvoted...

Support Position··4 votes·552 views

In the current awful meta that we have it's all about the adc. And quite frankly. No one likes it. Including me as a support.

I'm looking at wishing to put the support role out of the bot lane fiesta that it is and into another lane to support a different carry that will probably actually be good and will actually win the game. But are too scared to do lane pressure due to the junglers.

That lane is: Top lane.

Now I've been thinking a lot and the biggest issue is riot seems to ban people for playing off meta (look at the singed with smite that did counter jungling and did VERY well.)

I'm looking to play off meta and get support out of the bot lane completely without being banned. I just want to be able to play the game my own way without babysitting the ADC. This current meta is outstandingly awful for supports.

Currently: item 3504 item 3107 item 3190 item 3109 item 2049 are the items supports should ALWAYS have or you "trolling" Now I can understand item 2045 however, all the other items, why should I or why do I HAVE to pick these up or I'm trolling??? No... Supports shouldn't HAVE to be a slave to the ADC. Or Anyone for that matter, I enjoy supporting. But no, this meta is ridiculously awful.

Janna Lulu Soraka Karma Morgana Nami Lux Kayle (Not so much) Sona In this current awful meta here are the supports you should be playing or you're also. You guessed it. Trolling. item 3504 all because of this item.

Now I've seen a lot of backlash about item 3504 and now honestly. I'm getting onto this train. I wish this item got removed completely to be fair. I just want to be able to play support my own way, instead of "Oh I'm just for the adc and all I should be doing is Shield/Healing! HAHA woohoo!!!! SO FUN! It really isn't.

Now lets talk a little bit about the bot lane as a whole. From what I have noticed about the bot lane in general is... Every adc I receive. Is either completely garbage and the enemy is amazing. Or, the enemy is garbage and mine is great (this is about 1% of games).

Personally, I find that the adc as a whole in the current meta is the hot spot that only the enemy junglers bother with (never mine.) the adc currently is WHAT MAKES OR BREAKS the game. And as a support. I wish to leave it completely into the dumpster....

Now why is this?

I feel support should be in another lane, and personally I think ADC should be aswell.

I don't understand why the lanes are STILL this way at all to be fair.

What the lanes should look like: Top: Keeps their top laners (sorry guys D:), Jungle: Obviously stays (Sorry again ^^").

Now this is where it changes: Mid: ADC - Now honestly I don't understand why this isn't the thing already, riot only care about the ADC in general anyway. So why isn't the ADC in the best position to gank for kills and have the best exp rates? I will never know. This lane is the shortest there is and the ADC can EASILY go to and from this lane. Not to mention the ADC can go into a different summoner spell other than Heal. Like summoner 21 summoner 14 summoner 6 summoner 12 or even the traditional summoner 7

This would give ADC SO many more options than JUST healing the support bot lane.

Botlane: AP's - So all the mages would go down bot instead. If I recall this is the second shortest lane in league? It's next to the drake pit as well making Mordekaiser actually viable (He's actually pretty solid mid at the moment if you know what you're doing.) making the entire meta to change completely from the awful standpoint that it is into a less snowball meta and a more easier flow.

Now for the Support. Where would they go?

Supports would obviously have the option to go Top or Botlane with both being equally different.

Toplane supports would give the edge to the top laners obviously in terms of security. It's really scary up there due to all the intimidating tops. Darius Garen Illaoi Gangplank Irelia Jayce Nasus Maokai Renekton Riven and so on. It would allow lane pressure to COMPLETELY stop being a bully feast in the top lane and actually shift the meta into Top lane being the better lane out of the 3 for carry potential just like how bot lane is currently.

Botlane supports (with the AP's being switched) would completely shift the meta into being a less snowball fest as well and into a more objective gameplay. Making drake more viable to look at and more burst damage and objective playstyles (First tower. First blood. First win ;) ) although it wouldn't be as good as the top lane support as it would be more or less early to mid game unless you're playing a scaling APC (Veigar Hello!)


Anyhow, onto the main topic at hand I'm looking at. Past all the whacky ideas I just threw:

I want to take support completely out of the bot lane (With the adc) as honestly. I feel it's not worth the effort more than 3/4 of the time to even baby sit the ADC as they usually either fail. Or we lose anyway due to the other lanes not doing well as there's just no balancing the top lane (And ADC's) currently and theres not enough bans. 

In the current situation sure it would: Destroy ADC as a whole making it basically unable to do anything bot lane (forcing them to LEARN how to cs under tower shots ((which is easy by the way especially for adc's)), and put them into a passive farming role until ADC's are the only 2 down botlane.

Meanwhile: Top lane would be completely outstanding and outmatching their opponent in the top lane. Forcing first tower, first blood possibly and other amazing things. Not to mention with a support up top. There's rift herald, a support and a top laner could easily take that around level 7 or even sooner with 2 people. Killing the top lane and then just going for it with the jungler rotating. It would literally be a piece of cake and a free tower (possibly) if not an AMAZING recall for the top lane carry making items even faster and allowing the LONGEST lane in the game to be freezed by the support as the top laner runs back instead of wasting TP! 

Imagine the possibilities! It is endless for the top lane ENDLESS! 

However the problem is, no one wants to break the meta and create something new! Something fresh! Something. Exciting. 

This game has been the same forever. Don't you want to change it? Don't you want to make it better? 

Well you can. 

As stated the Support would go top lane. Eventually ADC's would have too much of a problem botlane with a duo ADC/Support combo and an APC will want to go bottom instead. With all their stuns and nuke damage towards minions they would happily fit down there while as I has stated earlier ADC's would go mid lane. 

The game would change, completely and dramastically and possibly even balance out all the kinks that are needed to be balanced out (obviously not everything will be balanced) 

But anyway, shouldn't we give this a shot? *[zombie-nunu-hearts]* 

I think this is just me giving my hopes up, but I would love to see what other people think... This isn't a troll... Or anything this is a discussion I would love to hear from other people and see what others have to say or think... As the title says.. I seriously think this will just be downvoted like everything else. But it's worth a shot... *[zombie-nunu-tears]*

14 Comments

TXO Parzival3 votes

To be honest. This sounds fucking amazing. you really know what you are talking about and i would love to see this implemented. UPVOTE.

Support Position1 votes

[{quoted}](name=XGN ShadowSpire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GEEsMy9v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-01T04:39:07.015+0000)

To be honest. This sounds fucking amazing. you really know what you are talking about and i would love to see this implemented. UPVOTE.

Thank you very much :') I am trying and I would love to see the meta change so dramastically like this... It would truly make things a lot different >.<

Baron Barian3 votes

The adc is the only role that NEEDS a support. I've seen some games where I've been teamed with a ad adc, and sometimes I'M the bad adc, but as a proud support main myself, my adc is never at all the issue with our team, simply because I do my part and keep him alive, and when we lose lane, it's either because the enemy duo is either really good, or their jungler camps and ours never come.

To really make a long a potential controversial topic short, especially since I've been making big speeches on this lately: Maybe your just not giving your adc's the support they really need? Humor me on this, and if it's the case, support other lanes would do nothing but get your attack damage **carry **far behind and lose first tower.

And then you blame the adc for having your team lose.

Support Position1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GEEsMy9v,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-01T05:18:41.734+0000)

The adc is the only role that NEEDS a support. I've seen some games where I've been teamed with a ad adc, and sometimes I'M the bad adc, but as a proud support main myself, my adc is never at all the issue with our team, simply because I do my part and keep him alive, and when we lose lane, it's either because the enemy duo is either really good, or their jungler camps and ours never come.

To really make a long a potential controversial topic short, especially since I've been making big speeches on this lately: Maybe your just not giving your adc's the support they really need? Humor me on this, and if it's the case, support other lanes would do nothing but get your attack damage **carry **far behind and lose first tower.

And then you blame the adc for having your team lose.

Unfortunately instead it is the adc. They don't engage when they properly should. Don't bother coming to team fights. If they do they haven't farmed enough throughout the laning phase being down 10-30 minions even without deaths of either of us.

So no. It's not my fault for a garbage job. I do my best to out poke and destroy the enemy's laning stages if I can. Sure do I have bad games? Oh yea. I stop playing after 2 of those for a few hours if not a full day.

The entire reason why this meta change would work is to counter all riot has worked "so hard" for. And completely swap everything into a better mess.

Adc's should be SOLO throughout the entire laning stage. Full exp and full gold. Unfortunately no one bothers to try something new, or make league fun or great again by making the game COMPLETELY fresh. Instead we just continue to be brainless zombies to the ADC's.

TXO Parzival3 votes

Ya know, If we could get some people in on this i wouldn't mind testing this out in custom games. Just to test first. Then if it stays successful we could talk to someone at riot about this. I really want to see this. Add me on Na (Support Position) and we can talk more.

Calabok2 votes

HAH no. support should stay bottom

Support Position2 votes

{quoted}

HAH no. support should stay bottom

Give me a good reason why they should be bottom.

Why should any role be where they are?

Just because PLAYERS like YOU and ME said so?

Nah. Time for changes, just like the world does everyday.

UnboundHades2 votes

Because he's probably am adc main that doesn't know how to lane without one

MysterQ2 votes

I like the idea, but you would need a high team to implement it first. The idea sounds interesting. And I am glad so far none of these "adc need gold not level" beaters are here yet.

That said, the Singed was not great according to what I heard. He lost more games than won overall as Singed support. Nunu counterjg support though was 50%+ in Diamond.

Support Position1 votes

{quoted}

I like the idea, but you would need a high team to implement it first. The idea sounds interesting. And I am glad so far none of these "adc need gold not level" beaters are here yet.

That said, the Singed was not great according to what I heard. He lost more games than won overall as Singed support. Nunu counterjg support though was 50%+ in Diamond.

I used him as an example as he got banned for off-meta fun.

Were not allowed to have fun on this game and do other things without riot banning.

If I went top only now as a support and I told my team I was. I would just get banned every game. It's very stupid.

LightIsMyPath2 votes

Many mages alone in botlane vs a duo will be raped with push until they get the item allowing them to properly waveclear thus being set way too far behind. Immobile ADC mid would be gangbanged on by possibly 5 enemies at all times (since he's mid) from 6 different angles to enter the lane. So no, I completely disagree on your previsions on what would happen. Much more likely enemies who found themselves in this situation would just respond sending their own botlane in top instead (so their ADC can bully your meelee carry cause"yeah range" ) and their toplaner will go bottom, where he can engage freely on the alone ADC. To top this the ADC would be alone in a pretty long lane so he will likely be camped, leading to first turret falling very early, a free dragon and a giant snowball down midlane, where your team wouldn't be able to fight cause 2/3 of your damage dealers have been starved in lane (one due to zoning the other due to being killed). If you swap mage and ADC in your team it doesn't change much because even mages are susceptible at being ganked alone in a long lane unless they are named Ahri , the situation might possibly be even worse depending on who the midlane ADC is facing cause at some point he will be in danger of straight up be solokilled there

Support Position1 votes

{quoted}

Many mages alone in botlane vs a duo will be raped with push until they get the item allowing them to properly waveclear thus being set way too far behind. Immobile ADC mid would be gangbanged on by possibly 5 enemies at all times (since he's mid) from 6 different angles to enter the lane. So no, I completely disagree on your previsions on what would happen. Much more likely enemies who found themselves in this situation would just respond sending their own botlane in top instead (so their ADC can bully your meelee carry cause"yeah range" ) and their toplaner will go bottom, where he can engage freely on the alone ADC. To top this the ADC would be alone in a pretty long lane so he will likely be camped, leading to first turret falling very early, a free dragon and a giant snowball down midlane, where your team wouldn't be able to fight cause 2/3 of your damage dealers have been starved in lane (one due to zoning the other due to being killed). If you swap mage and ADC in your team it doesn't change much because even mages are susceptible at being ganked alone in a long lane unless they are named Ahri , the situation might possibly be even worse depending on who the midlane ADC is facing cause at some point he will be in danger of straight up be solokilled there

A lot of things here were examples. However the only things that weren't were freedom of lane. Along with the lanes finally changing.

As of today even, mages aren't eaten alive by top. So why would the adc. The thing that falters in this game is people dont understand they have a choice. Ooh so another lane goes to a certain lane. Guess what?

Your team can change too. Why does every player think that they HAVE to be in these lanes. THEY DON'T.

Time for a reality check. It's time to break free from the chains and explore NEW POSSIBILITIES and COUNTER enemies that are doing well. Instead of FEAR of being banned because you HAVE to sticl with your adc or do "proper" things. I believe it's time to start a NEW change in league. And allowing different things to happen. Especially lanes.

Now maybe as a support instead of doing stupid things like sitting in lane. Ancient coin and ROAM into EVERY lane. How about that huh? Gets rid of every problem. Imagine a roaming thresh. That roams ALL game. Escape ability from the river forall lanes. Or behind walls. So no.

Problems can happen but guess what? It's time to allow players to get out of lanes and be able to go where they want. To allow NEW metas. NEW problems for BOTH sides. And new adventures. This game is NOT an RPG. you don't HAVE to stay on the ONE path to get to the end. You have 3 lanes and ENTIRE jungle to do so.

So how about starting it instead of getting scared.

Edit: Also the APC botlane would mean 2 APC's it seems you didn't read much.

What I want TL:DR: is Top Support (top lane), Mid adc, Bot APC, JG jg.

Time for changes. And get out of the clutches of riot and people being scared to not be in their lanes.

LightIsMyPath2 votes

Your speech is all well and good but if YOU just do that in the current game the strategy puts you at some serious disadvantage for various reasons. Huge balance changes would be needed to have more freedom in lane compositions. Also your roaming thresh better be hard snowballing his lanes or he will turn into a walking sack of gold 6 levels behind everyone instead of the classic 3

xydra221 votes

I got brought here via the Frost discord, by Shadow here. I'm up for trial runs.

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