Lux's Range

TheUnrepentant·Feb 5, 2016·2 votes·3,187 views

Why does Lux have so much range? Honestly that's the toughest thing about laning against her (if your match up isn't too bad). That is my only question about her.

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Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20164 votes

why does azir have so much zoning? why does malzahar have so much % damage? why does ahri have so much mobility? why does annie have an aoe stun?

thats her strength. lux has a lot of range, long base cooldowns and no mobility.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

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why does azir have so much zoning? why does malzahar have so much % damage? why does ahri have so much mobility? why does annie have an aoe stun?

thats her strength. lux has a lot of range, long base cooldowns and no mobility.

But Lux has everything.All.No mobility.Hahahaha.Not an excuse.All immobile mages doesn't have mobility.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20163 votes

You really need to give up.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

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You really need to give up.

No.Until Lux nerfs.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20163 votes

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But Lux has everything.All.No mobility.Hahahaha.Not an excuse.All immobile mages doesn't have mobility.

lux doesnt have everything. she has burst and range. but compared to other mages she has very little and unreliable cc.

Zyra has an aoe knockup and multi target snare Malzahar has an aoe silence and point and click supression Annie aoe stun on tibbers or her w Fiddlesticks point and click fear, multi target silence

i think the clostest we can compare her to is who has a very similar q and w comparable to lux e, but gets a lot more damage instead of an aoe shield.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nzawAHqo,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-02-05T08:35:24.106+0000)

lux doesnt have everything. she has burst and range. but compared to other mages she has very little and unreliable cc.

has an aoe knockup and multi target snare has an aoe silence and point and click supression aoe stun on tibbers or her w fear, multi target silence

i think the clostest we can compare her to is who has a very similar q and w, but gets a lot more damage instead of an aoe shield.

Lux has everything.Absurdity.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20162 votes

They won't listen to reason. But I do see what your trying to say.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

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They won't listen to reason. But I do see what your trying to say.

Soon.Don't worry.

TheUnrepentantFeb 5, 20162 votes

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why does azir have so much zoning? why does malzahar have so much % damage? why does ahri have so much mobility? why does annie have an aoe stun?

thats her strength. lux has a lot of range, long base cooldowns and no mobility.

I'm fine with her having a strength, but check out her current % win against all champs, and then lane against her. Then come back here and tell me what you think. I'm not the best player, not at all, but all champions needs something that counters them.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20162 votes

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I'm fine with her having a strength, but check out her current % win against all champs, and then lane against her. Then come back here and tell me what you think. I'm not the best player, not at all, but champion needs something that counters them.

You don't care him because he is protecting his op and free elo champion.Also he downvotes everyone.Because he is kid.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20162 votes

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I'm fine with her having a strength, but check out her current % win against all champs, and then lane against her. Then come back here and tell me what you think. I'm not the best player, not at all, but all champions needs something that counters them.

i have laned against her and thats not the reason why shes good. shes actually rather easy to beat in lane. a single mr item early on makes her run out of mana if she tries to poke you down with her e for example.

her poke might be really reliable but it also deals comparably little damage and costs a lot of mana.

i think the main reason why shes strong right now is because of her waveclear ability combined with marksmen being ridiculously strong. and blowing up marksmen is what she does. so being able to take out the strongest member of the enemy team quite useful.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20161 votes

This makes a lot of sense. Aren't passive mid-laners also a bad idea to choose against her?

CppLFeb 5, 20163 votes

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I'm fine with her having a strength, but check out her current % win against all champs, and then lane against her. Then come back here and tell me what you think. I'm not the best player, not at all, but all champions needs something that counters them.

Morgana is prety good vs her.(sustain+back shield) ,ahri (prety long range ,sustain ,mobility) ,Xertah (has even bigger range).Hexdrinker hit her really hard.She has counters ,you jsut need to find them.Not saying she"s balanced but...its thunderlords who broke her.Her poke (e+aa) was already strong ,now E+aa+thunderlords ,is just...to strong.Also her ulti cd and range has been the same for like 3 years? and just now you start to complain about that?

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20162 votes

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Morgana is prety good vs her.(sustain+back shield) ,ahri (prety long range ,sustain ,mobility) ,Xertah (has even bigger range).Hexdrinker hit her really hard.She has counters ,you jsut need to find them.Not saying she"s balanced but...its thunderlords who broke her.Her poke (e+aa) was already strong ,now E+aa+thunderlords ,is just...to strong.Also her ulti cd and range has been the same for like 3 years? and just now you start to complain about that?

Morgana has 46% win rate against her.Invalid.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20163 votes

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Not invalid.

soo... valid.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

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soo... valid.

Soooo valid.Kid.You continue your kid.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20162 votes

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Morgana is prety good vs her.(sustain+back shield) ,ahri (prety long range ,sustain ,mobility) ,Xertah (has even bigger range).Hexdrinker hit her really hard.She has counters ,you jsut need to find them.Not saying she"s balanced but...its thunderlords who broke her.Her poke (e+aa) was already strong ,now E+aa+thunderlords ,is just...to strong.Also her ulti cd and range has been the same for like 3 years? and just now you start to complain about that?

yea, thunderlords was a large buff. her passive counts towards a thunderlords stack.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20162 votes

I'm glad to know this. Really helps me know what to look out for next time I face a Lux. But I've only faced like one so far and I was playing Malzahar against her. Probably not the best matchup for me, though if I recall I picked before her.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

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I'm glad to know this. Really helps me know what to look out for next time I face a Lux. But I've only faced like one so far and I was playing Malzahar against her. Probably not the best matchup for me, though if I recall I picked before her.

Lux is hardcounter for Malzahar.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20162 votes

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I'm glad to know this. Really helps me know what to look out for next time I face a Lux. But I've only faced like one so far and I was playing Malzahar against her. Probably not the best matchup for me though if I recall I picked before her.

eh, actually i think malzahar can easily outplay her. he brings similar range and that silence just dumps on her. as soon as you catch her with it at lvl 6 it should be almost a guaranteed kill.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20161 votes

Probably didn't help that it was my first time facing a Lux player, a good one too. And not the bot.

A little PeepoFeb 5, 20164 votes

If lux had no range she would honestly suck. She has pretty long cool downs and pretty heavy mana costs with base damages not that impressive (outside of ult) If lux didn't have range then her snare and E would probably be point and click abilities, basically another annie.

If you lane against her the just push her (her wave clear sucks early on without a good amount of AP) Although I do agree that she may be a little too strong right now since her win rate is actually one of the highest of all makes this week (she's been above 50% for a while now) but she is heavily balanced by her self punishing play style because miss your Q and you probably missed everything else.

Off HiatusFeb 5, 20163 votes

Because she is mage, and consequently has roughly the same range as other standard mages.

TheUnrepentantFeb 5, 20162 votes

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Because she is mage, and consequently has roughly the same range as other standard mages.

If you would please back that statement up. From what I'm looking at she outranges Ahri, Ryze, Lissandra, Karthus, Vladimir, Zilean, and Malzahar. Morgana has one ability that outranges Lux (Morgana's Q) but unlike Lux's Singularity it can not pass over minions. Morgana's Q also moves incredibly slowly.

EreldraFeb 5, 20163 votes

But all these champs have other strenghts, that compensate for their lower range. In fact, not all mages are the same. Some have higher range, others lower, so you can't lump them together and compare them, since Mages are not one cohesive group. Lux is rather part of the long-range/Poke group, together with Ziggs, Xerath, Vel'koz. So, asking why she has that much range is... like asking why Xerath has a huge range. Why does he? Well, they designed him that way, so he would fit it that strategic niche. Just like Lux is supposed to have a great range.

I don't really see her range as a problem anyway. Sure, in lane it can be difficult, since her E ist definitely hard to dodge, but It gets better once you have boots. And since her Manacosts are quite high, she can't spam her E all day on you, so unless you allow her to proc the passive+Thunderlords from it, i don't see it as a problem. And if she does, you push the wave and force her to choose between waveclearing or poking you, since she can't do both at once. Infact I don't think anything in her kit is a problem. If you would want to nerf her, some tweaks to her numbers should be absolutely enough; small dmg nerfs, and/or a CD increase on the ult (can't really argue with the fact, that you can get her Ult to under 30 seconds I think, if you go for the 45% CD. Thats really a bit too much^^).

Off HiatusFeb 5, 20162 votes

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If you would please back that statement up. From what I'm looking at she outranges Ahri, Ryze, Lissandra, Karthus, Vladimir, Zilean, and Malzahar. Morgana has one ability that outranges Lux (Morgana's Q) but unlike Lux's Singularity it can not pass over minions. Morgana's Q also moves incredibly slowly.

"Mages have long range." That's the core idea. So to define "long" for an ability, we'll go with over auto-attack range. 700 is reasonable, that's longer than unmodified auto-attacks. so mages range 700+ let's say 700-1000 is a fine area to work from as a standard for average standard mages.

So that includes Anivia, Ahri, Brand, Karma, Lux, Morgana, Malzahar, Syndra, Vel'koz, Veigar, Viktor, Xerath, Ziggs, and Zyra. Since you are focusing on damage range; If we expand out side that category, the list lengthens more and we get more champions that fall in there like from Mage tanks (e.g. Gragas, Maokai), Short-Range Mages (Lissandra, Karthus), "Rapid-fire" mage (Cassiopeia), odd ones (Twisted Fate, Zilean), Off-builds (Ezreal, Kog'maw), Utility Mages, (Lulu, Zilean) and so on. Range is not uncommon on mages

_ "But..."_ you reply "but this ability X is 100 units shorter than Lux's ability Y. That must mean that Lux's range is longer, and that means her range is too long" If you use that flawed reasoning, all mages are short range because Karthus exists. Lux has a long range because she is a mage and long range mages have long range.

"but unlike Lux's Singularity" So, the non-comparable ability from Lux's Kit doesn't behave like one from Morgana's kit. Color me shocked.

TheUnrepentantFeb 7, 20161 votes

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"Mages have long range." That's the core idea. So to define "long" for an ability, we'll go with over auto-attack range. 700 is reasonable, that's longer than unmodified auto-attacks. so mages range 700+ let's say 700-1000 is a fine area to work from as a standard for average standard mages.

So that includes Anivia, Ahri, Brand, Karma, Lux, Morgana, Malzahar, Syndra, Vel'koz, Veigar, Viktor, Xerath, Ziggs, and Zyra. Since you are focusing on damage range; If we expand out side that category, the list lengthens more and we get more champions that fall in there like from Mage tanks (e.g. Gragas, Maokai), Short-Range Mages (Lissandra, Karthus), "Rapid-fire" mage (Cassiopeia), odd ones (Twisted Fate, Zilean), Off-builds (Ezreal, Kog'maw), Utility Mages, (Lulu, Zilean) and so on. Range is not uncommon on mages

_ "But..."_ you reply "but this ability X is 100 units shorter than Lux's ability Y. That must mean that Lux's range is longer, and that means her range is too long" If you use that flawed reasoning, all mages are short range because Karthus exists. Lux has a long range because she is a mage and long range mages have long range.

"but unlike Lux's Singularity" So, the non-comparable ability from Lux's Kit doesn't behave like one from Morgana's kit. Color me shocked.

You want to extend my argument to absurd dimensions and then attack it. Apparently that's what this forum supports, guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Off HiatusFeb 10, 20161 votes

What? That has nothing to do with "extending" anything. You asked for explanation, one was provided.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20162 votes

Short answer.Because she is op,free elo and needs nerfs.Pick rate and win rate show this.

KirinFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Short answer.Because she is op,free elo and needs nerfs.Pick rate and win rate show this.

What site are you pulling all of these statistics from?

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20162 votes

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What site are you pulling all of these statistics from?

Champion.gg or lolking or lolskill .A lot site available.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20162 votes

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What site are you pulling all of these statistics from?

champion.gg

shes actually on the strong side but not too op, and her pickrate isnt crazy. its a mere 16%

top picks have usually around 30% to 40% pickrate. as far as i recall vayne has been sitting at almost 50% pickrate just before the preseason patch.

lucian and ezreal are at 40% right now.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nzawAHqo,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-02-05T09:04:32.979+0000)

champion.gg

shes actually on the strong side, but her pickrate isnt crazy. its a mere 16%

top picks have usually around 30% to 40% pickrate. as far as i recall vayne has been sitting at almost 50% pickrate just before the preseason patch.

lucian and ezreal are at 40% right now.

Lucian and ezreal have 50% win rate,Lux 54% toward 55%.So she is op and needs nerf.

Critmaster GarenFeb 5, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nzawAHqo,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-05T09:05:27.598+0000)

Lucian and ezreal have 50% win rate,Lux 54%

its interesting though. according to your logic ahri needs a nerf aswell. shes picked more often than lux and almost has the same winrate.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nzawAHqo,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T09:07:16.594+0000)

its interesting though. according to your logic ahri needs a nerf aswell. shes picked more often than lux and almost has the same winrate.

Ahri needs a nerf but Riot doesn't nerf her.Because a lot reason.I explained this reasons previously.Also Ahri was popular champion every time but Lux is popular champion from last buffs.Ahri had %15-16 pick rate every time but Lux?

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20162 votes

Same would apply for Udyr jungle sitting at 57.03%, Pantheon top sitting at 56.25%, Quinn top with 54.41% etc etc etc.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Same would apply for jungle sitting at 57.03%, top sitting at 56.25%, top with 54.41% etc etc etc.

%8 pick rate,2% pick rate and 2% pick rate.Lux 20% pick rate.Illogical compared.Low pick rate and high win rate normal for champions but high win rate and pick rate is abnormal.

TheUnrepentantFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Same would apply for jungle sitting at 57.03%, top sitting at 56.25%, top with 54.41% etc etc etc.

Yes, yes it would. But this thread is about one specific champion. Particularly to discuss one particular thing that might need changing.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20161 votes

Sorry got sidetracked by someone else.

Sadly I don't have enough experience playing as Lux, or against Lux players. Only played Lux once during OfA, and only laned against one Lux player sorry. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20162 votes

You are getting a lot of feedback from others that are willing to discuss the matter though. Like Critmaster Garen, and CppL. Keep asking them for more adivce. By the sounds of it they have a lot of experience and are willing to share it.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nzawAHqo,comment-id=00010000000100000000000100010001,timestamp=2016-02-05T09:45:08.791+0000)

You are getting a lot of feedback from others that are willing to discuss the matter though. Like Critmaster Garen, and CppL. Keep asking them for more adivce. By the sounds of it they have a lot of experience and are willing to share it.

A lot of experience or trolls.Ahahahaha.Only protect their op champion.

Void NargacugaFeb 5, 20161 votes

Should have known you would respond like that. You are the troll here sadly.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 5, 20161 votes

BALANCED.