Can we get some more mages in the jungle?

World King·Feb 11, 2020·19 votes·10,415 views

If we're putting more laners in the jungle, can we make more mages viable for the jungle? As much as I love getting friend requests so I can see the hate mail for taking Ryze up top, I would much rather Q-E-Q jungle camps and gank than play footsy with some Sona or Soraka while all the acton happens in mid and bot.

Pick a battle mage, any battle mage. They can do the jungle if you make slight changes to them to make it viable.

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HP CrookshanksFeb 11, 202020 votes

They should bring mages back to mid lane first. Karma Lux Morgana Swain Velkoz Xerath Zyra

World KingFeb 11, 20202 votes

I feel like most mages should go in all lanes and roles, except with the few niche's that are built to fit a certain role or archetype.

Xerath bot carry? Sure.

Xerath jungle? I don't think so.

But Swain jungle? Sure.

RyzeReworkFeb 12, 20201 votes

You can take brand jungle his clear is better than most meta jungles and his burst damage is crazy. If you miss you skills your fucked tho

BrokenRayquazaFeb 12, 20202 votes

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They should bring mages back to mid lane first.

Botlane can keep brand. Fuck getting hit with 2 point and clicks and dying to max health burn

PB4UAMEFeb 12, 20202 votes

If you're dying to E (his last skill maxed) and R (likely only a single or up to 2 bounces in most midlane engagements) alone, you were way the fuck too low to still be in lane, and also where like 600 range away from an immobile, squishy mage. The other thing is Pyroclasm only prioritizes getting the 3 stacks on targets and afterwards avoids them to try to hit other targets. So at level 6 his E R R combo has a whopping. . . 75 + 100 + 100 base damage, and not even 1.0 AP ratio. At that point in the game, its barely 300 damage before mitigation and with him needing 25-30 AP before backing, plus 3% of your max HP as a DoT over 3.25 seconds plus the explosion for 14.5% of your hp, again, before any form of mitigation. Giving you 1000 HP, and literally no MR which no one could possibly have, you'd only take 275 + 175 = 450 damage, over 3-5 seconds. Dying to that alone, I'm 100% sure is entirely on you.

BrokenRayquazaFeb 13, 20201 votes

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If you're dying to E (his last skill maxed) and R (likely only a single or up to 2 bounces in most midlane engagements) alone, you were way the fuck too low to still be in lane, and also where like 600 range away from an immobile, squishy mage. The other thing is Pyroclasm only prioritizes getting the 3 stacks on targets and afterwards avoids them to try to hit other targets. So at level 6 his E R R combo has a whopping. . . 75 + 100 + 100 base damage, and not even 1.0 AP ratio. At that point in the game, its barely 300 damage before mitigation and with him needing 25-30 AP before backing, plus 3% of your max HP as a DoT over 3.25 seconds plus the explosion for 14.5% of your hp, again, before any form of mitigation. Giving you 1000 HP, and literally no MR which no one could possibly have, you'd only take 275 + 175 = 450 damage, over 3-5 seconds. Dying to that alone, I'm 100% sure is entirely on you.

It's weird because it's seems he oneshots me from 70% because his r hits my 6 times for no reason other than he sacrificed to rngesus last night. It's not I can't beat him, it's he cancer with his permanent rylais slow plus his burst early on that's almost undodgeable if he just uses e from behind minions

baitangpukaohuaFeb 12, 20203 votes

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They should bring mages back to mid lane first.

I think the fuck not they are all cancer to lane against i dont care what you say

KazekibaFeb 11, 20209 votes

Morg jungle worked great before August fucked her kit for no reason

GFREEMENFeb 11, 20204 votes

Zyra and AD Malzahar

World KingFeb 11, 20204 votes

Yea man. Malz and Zyra would make for killer junglers. She even has extra plants to talk to while making her clears.

GFREEMENFeb 12, 20203 votes

Her back story is about being the Queen of the Jungle too.

BugogFeb 12, 20201 votes

I remember playing Zyra jungle last season, it kind of worked.

She's super vulnerable to getting counter jungled, especially a level 1 invade.

All you do is stand near the buff level 1 and let your passive seeds go everywhere, and then 1 q later the first buff goes down super fast. It's kind of like dropping shaco boxes, except you can't control it.

Worst JG WinsFeb 12, 20201 votes

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Yea man. Malz and Zyra would make for killer junglers. She even has extra plants to talk to while making her clears.

Malz and Zyra can both already clear the JG though.

roflcopterssssssFeb 12, 20201 votes

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and AD

too bad they gutted AD malzahar with his rework, his voidlings instantly die to anything and everything now

YennFeb 12, 20204 votes

They inherently can't jungle because their early 1v1 is atrocious, making them food for meta jungles. Even off meta champions who are intended to be in the jungle aren't viable in Diamond+ because they just get dumpstered by the meta picks permanently invading.

Unless you're in low elo, in which case many of them they're already viable on account of being ranged and everyone being too bad/unaware to take advantage of them having no dueling ability.

Salty Mc FeedFeb 12, 20203 votes

Soraka jungle, uninteractive heal ganks

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Jinx OnlyFeb 11, 20202 votes

i would like it alot if more mages became viable in the jungle too.

call me crazy but i like lissandra jungle. her E makes ganking feel good. she has lots of cc. she can hard engage teamfights. her jungle clear is just super slow early.

i never see liss played these days even in mid or top so it would be nice if they tried buffing her in the jungle so she could be viable in at least 1 role.

i hope they buff morgana jungle too.

1 concern i have though is it would make mid laners able to steal raptors really easily. if that really does become a problem riot could always make it so they only deal additional damage vs monsters as long as they have a jungle item.

taleofsonataFeb 12, 20201 votes

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i would like it alot if more mages became viable in the jungle too.

call me crazy but i like lissandra jungle. her E makes ganking feel good. she has lots of cc. she can hard engage teamfights. her jungle clear is just super slow early.

i never see liss played these days even in mid or top so it would be nice if they tried buffing her in the jungle so she could be viable in at least 1 role.

i hope they buff morgana jungle too.

1 concern i have though is it would make mid laners able to steal raptors really easily. if that really does become a problem riot could always make it so they only deal additional damage vs monsters as long as they have a jungle item.

Well they just made Zed/Talon steal raptor easely, I don't see why not. And Zed/Talon are better roamer than mages.

Mega Annie XFeb 12, 20202 votes

Annie jungle is something that should have been a thing forever. She literally has a max range of 550 on all her spells. She has a movespeed buff on E. She has to preload stuns. She is perfect for the roam. Make it happen!

ThefrostyvikingFeb 12, 20202 votes

Mages can never be viable in a role where 1v1 fights(invade) can be forced early, heck even midlane viability is hurting in soloq to the point where assassins are dominating the top picks if i am not mistaken.

A mage in the jungle is just a free meal to a invading assassin/fighter.

Salty Mc FeedFeb 12, 20202 votes

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Mages can never be viable in a role where 1v1 fights(invade) can be forced early, heck even midlane viability is hurting in soloq to the point where assassins are dominating the top picks if i am not mistaken.

A mage in the jungle is just a free meal to a invading assassin/fighter.

Ah yes, and this is why Karthus jungle is still getting played so much, because he has so many ways to escape invades. LMAO

ThefrostyvikingFeb 12, 20201 votes

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Ah yes, and this is why Karthus jungle is still getting played so much, because he has so many ways to escape invades. LMAO

I mean even if you invade and kill this guy it hardly even matters and for that he is unique, and his "ganks" dont exactly leave him exposed or even useless even if you get on him unlike most others.

Then there is this whole issue of him clearing so fast that you have to time your invades very nicely and predict his route if you dont wana go only to find a empty forest.....

Well all in all Karthus is too damn unique, one exception to the rule does not make it false x)

The Bad TouchFeb 12, 20201 votes

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Ah yes, and this is why Karthus jungle is still getting played so much, because he has so many ways to escape invades. LMAO

Karthus has a strong slow and does more DPS than any other mage early on though...

MAGE ITEM KEKWFeb 12, 20202 votes

How about we don't make the most broken class viable in every lane :)

Viable mid, viable support, broken tier top against any melee champ. Sure let's make them good in the jungle.

ScibraFeb 11, 20201 votes

I'm not specifically against it, but at the same time, lanes have a preferred type of champion that goes there; blurring these lines would be a mistake I think, and they're already a bit hazy. Mages are generally off-role in the jungle, just like ranged adcs are off-role in mid or top.

World KingFeb 11, 20201 votes

Karthus I can only play this dude so much in the forest before I wanna off myself to see if his passive works IRL. Mages need a bigger jungle presence. I'm not saying let's throw the gates open... but I am saying, there are battle mages who could jungle clear nicely with some changes.

ProphetOfDravenFeb 11, 20201 votes

Evelynn Ekko Gragas Taliyah Fiddlesticks Shyvana Nidalee Sylas Elise Karthus + Diana Mordekaiser being added next patch. I'd really like to see Sylas jungle buffed though. Also maybe Rumble jungle too, man literally has a skin for it.

NaalithFeb 11, 20201 votes

The fact Sylas was envisioned as a solo laner and is continually attempted to be reworked out of jungle and into solo lanes with basically no success makes 0 sense to me. They should just let him be a Vi, a champion who was designed for a solo lane but ended up thriving in jungle. He's been out for over a year at this point and his jungle is pretty scuffed but they also clunkified his entire kit and ruined it due to pro play. He has so much AOE and his ultimate is more exciting when you can steal from multiple people, he just makes more sense jungle and I wish they would balance him as such.

ProphetOfDravenFeb 12, 20202 votes

I spammed the shit out of Sylas jungle mid season 9 it was probably my most fun playing the game ever.

NaalithFeb 12, 20201 votes

Same, I get level 7 on every new champ or rework that comes out and spamming Sylas on release was genuinely the most fun I had in this game in years.

TusefFeb 12, 20201 votes

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+ being added next patch. I'd really like to see Sylas jungle buffed though. Also maybe Rumble jungle too, man literally has a skin for it.

Fiddlesticks jungle is pretty much troll right now. Especially when people go predator on him for some reason. League client itself doesn't even show him in the jungle category, and I too believe he is unplayable in the jungle. Clear is fine and scaling is fine but other champions just have better everything. Better ganks, better clears, better 1v1s, scaling, and utility. They also have something called health that fiddle doesn't know the meaning off. Fiddlesticks is really just you one shot them or you get half shot. If you get invaded early game is pretty much over.

JoeyDoeIIFeb 12, 20201 votes

Sometimes I'll go ryze jg for the meme and it's not completely horrible but I would love to see him as an actual pickable jungler :)

TusefFeb 12, 20201 votes

Zyra and brand jungle already work reliably. Morgana jungle can work but it is a little troll.

50CaliberHecateFeb 12, 20201 votes

I’d love Syndra jungle seeing as she can pick up the monsters in jng and she’s just kinda MEH in mid. Could even give her a chance for a mini rework!

BrightWîngsFeb 12, 20201 votes

I VERY much agree not having really any good mages in the jungle makes it sort of difficult to make a proper team comp. Only AP junglers are all assassins.

Neeko has potential but I think it needs to be buffed a little bit Taliyah I think still can I'm not entirely sure if it's been nerfed or not havnt seen it in a while. Zyra is doable Sylas I think can still work Karthus is probably the best mage you can play in the jungle

The problem isnt that there are NO options for mage junglers the problem is that there are almost no good mage junglers

HethaleanFeb 12, 20201 votes

Does Amumu no longer count as a mage? Ive been away awhile

DegnisyllortFeb 12, 20203 votes

Mumu was never considered a mage....ever. He does magic damage yes, but he is not a mage.

The Bad TouchFeb 12, 20201 votes

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Mumu was never considered a mage....ever. He does magic damage yes, but he is not a mage.

Amumu is, and always has been a mage...

https://imgur.com/a/2mb1Hxp

DegnisyllortFeb 12, 20202 votes

No...he isn’t. That is outdated by many many years.

PB4UAMEFeb 12, 20201 votes

TIL tanks are apparently a subclass of mage.

3ternalkarmaFeb 12, 20201 votes

[{quoted}](name=World King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nudQ7LAz,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-02-11T21:51:16.759+0000)

If we're putting more laners in the jungle, can we make more mages viable for the jungle? As much as I love getting friend requests so I can see the hate mail for taking Ryze up top, I would much rather Q-E-Q jungle camps and gank than play footsy with some Sona or Soraka while all the acton happens in mid and bot.

Pick a battle mage, any battle mage. They can do the jungle if you make slight changes to them to make it viable.

- make this item have more users

sure just bring back spirit stone? i think thats what it was called let every champion jungle >.>