"Bronze, Silver, and Gold are the same." quote

Glowshtick··9 votes·1,444 views

I've heard this a few times and wanted to voice what I think (because I disagree). Here's my take on what it means to be bronze, silver, or gold:

Bronze: You're new, and you know your team is bad, but you don't know why they're bad in confident detail. Even worse, you're always focusing on them, and not your own mistakes. You even make your own mistakes over and over again, and aren't learning from them properly. You know little about what every champion in the game is capable of. Finally, you refuse to accept that you belong here for some reason. Maybe you constantly expect having an outstanding kda with master yi and end up feeding, or you don't understand what items you should be building in specific situations. You're struggling to grasp improving on league of legends. You're also toxic as hell, and would never buy a pink ward.

Silver: You understand that you're bad, but you still look over at someone else's mistakes and are happy to say how badly they didn't do this or that instead. You make mistakes frequently, but can acknowledge almost all of them. Your champion knowledge is decent, but you're still struggling to play around a lot of match-ups. You're missing mechanics that allow you to play effectively. You've begun the very first steps of becoming a player with a solid talent, attitude, and intelligence for the game, though you have a lot to do, and a lot of practice to develop.

While I'm not Gold tier, rather Silver 1, I wanted to give a shot on how being a gold player might be different from the other tiers.

Gold: Your knowledge of the game is solid, and are familiar and experienced with key concepts of the game. You know how to react in a given situation, but more importantly you react on what you know to be more than evident. You can almost always handle yourself without relying on someone else. If you were placed in a lower tier, your team can count on you to play your role effectively, and making a large beneficial impact on the game, maybe even carry it alone. If someone else is about to make a mistake, you can immediately recognize it and quite possibly prevent it if they are willing to listen, or if the situation can still be helped. You know almost exactly how to build given most ranked game situations. You've moved past flaming in a significantly large amount of your games. You're the one, or one of the few, making the pings necessary to win. Your champion knowledge is understood at a basic level, but you just can't quite defeat your counters. Finally, you feel the right to feel acknowledged of at least half of a badass because you're gold, whatever that means for you.

Did I miss anything? What do you guys think makes the players in each tier different, if anything?

14 Comments

Could not care3 votes

You should understand that every rank is just significantly better on core things (mechanics, trading, game knowledge, map awareness, teamwork, etc) and only some specific aspects appear in particular ranks.

Those than I've noticed are:

Silver+ start using wards. Maybe not in good places, maybe not pink ones, but there's much more vision than in Bronze.

Gold+ have minor objective control. It does not mean that a 4 man dive for kills and tower first blood will happen, but they generally group around dragons/barons already.

High gold -> plat. Effective use of globals. While TP plays are still out of the question, you can and should, for example, expect a GP ult from toplane.

Plat+ start sidestepping. It is not easy to land a skillshot on them as they will expect it and try to predict it. Most golds still just walk in straight lines, really.

Plat+ start abusing early powerspikes. Expect a plat+ Thresh to push for level 2 and zone you after or just walk up and all-in if you don't respect him.

High plat to dia can already do the bot camp for early level 2.

Diamonds control objectives quite well. Expect that Lee Sin to be ready to dive you if your tower is low and you aren't that healthy.

High dia to masters can laneswap easily.

Masters to challengers time their CC (to avoid overlaps) and skillshots to have most effect. Have you seen Pantheon jump down into Soraka E only to be silenced for a bit and get rooted? Not in lower elos.

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I'm pretty sure there's a lot more (for each lane, actually), but aside from qualitative change in core values and the new strategies that appear, nothing changes much. Well, aside from higher ranks trolling slightly less.

jaymc11301 votes

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Well, aside from higher ranks trolling slightly less.

Key word here being "slightly".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsUD3AyY6lA

BananaJannana2 votes

Anything below my elo is trash, anything above my elo is tryharding

Ahtsuko2 votes

I am in plat 1 and this my opinion.

Gold players are extremely bad at the game.

Silver players are somehow magically even worse than gold players.

Bronze players are two people who have one person using the mouse and one person using the keyboard with 200 ping.

jaymc11301 votes

Attitude is the only thing I've found to be much different from silver to low diamond. Not only this season but in prior seasons as well. There is such minor tiny improvements in mechanical ability and game understanding below mid diamond that for the most part everything below mid diamond all just seems mostly the same mess of idiots running around like chickens with their heads cut off. The truth is: 99% of the league player base plays one game. 1% of us play a TOTALLY different game altogether. And the only real difference in the 99% is that at the lower end of that spectrum attitudes are just atrocious, while at the highest end of the spectrum they are just bad.

Could not care1 votes

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Attitude is the only thing I've found to be much different from silver to low diamond. Not only this season but in prior seasons as well. There is such minor tiny improvements in mechanical ability and game understanding below mid diamond that for the most part everything below mid diamond all just seems mostly the same mess of idiots running around like chickens with their heads cut off. The truth is: 99% of the league player base plays one game. 1% of us play a TOTALLY different game altogether. And the only real difference in the 99% is that at the lower end of that spectrum attitudes are just atrocious, while at the highest end of the spectrum they are just bad.

Nice grouping... gotta disagree wit hit though. Literally everyone is bad aside from world-ranked players, and I wouldn't clump the degrees. Even Diamonds - you should listen to Challenger players how they berate Diamonds and how flawed the gameplay of Diamonds is. Clumping everyone together below a certain rank is just arrogance - while as Diamond you would probably hate to have a Gold on your team, you would hate a Bronze even more.

Also, I'd say the two different game "modes" are not separated by ranks - there's random queue and there are 5 man teams. Even at Bronze elo, ranked 5s is a different cup of tea, although obviously, the higher the rank, the bigger the difference between those "modes".

jaymc11301 votes

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Nice grouping... gotta disagree wit hit though. Literally everyone is bad aside from world-ranked players, and I wouldn't clump the degrees.

Meh, its a personal perspective and an opinion. It's meant to be taken with a grain of salt. There are differences, its just that to me they are so minor for such a huge MMR range that its hardly even noticeable.

Even Diamonds - you should listen to Challenger players how they berate Diamonds and how flawed the gameplay of Diamonds is.

Well, thats cuz we here in diamond are bad mate... Lol. We suck. I dunno why people think we are any good at this game when there are like 15 total good players in the entire world.

Clumping everyone together below a certain rank is just arrogance - while as Diamond you would probably hate to have a Gold on your team, you would hate a Bronze even more.

It is a tad arrogant. But I'll be honest, I'm going to dislike having either on my team equally as much. There isn't like an amount of dislike proportionate to your ranking, I just cannot stand players on my teams who are wayyyyyyy below my skill level. Regardless of how far below it they may be. In 100% of those situations I can count on the same things, they will feed, they will flame, they will overextend without vision, and they will refuse to play in an intelligent fashion.

Also, I'd say the two different game "modes" are not separated by ranks - there's random queue and there are 5 man teams. Even at Bronze elo, ranked 5s is a different cup of tea, although obviously, the higher the rank, the bigger the difference between those "modes".

Sure, this is valid. Ranked 5s and Yolo Q are two different beasts. But in Yolo Q there is the game those of us who have been in Masters (or close to) play, and the game everyone else plays. Its like having a psuedo ranked 5s game while playing on the solo ladder, not quite as coordinated, but pretty close. Its just not the same as a silver solo q game. Those two matches would be nothing alike.

Jbels1 votes

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Attitude is the only thing I've found to be much different from silver to low diamond. Not only this season but in prior seasons as well. There is such minor tiny improvements in mechanical ability and game understanding below mid diamond that for the most part everything below mid diamond all just seems mostly the same mess of idiots running around like chickens with their heads cut off. The truth is: 99% of the league player base plays one game. 1% of us play a TOTALLY different game altogether. And the only real difference in the 99% is that at the lower end of that spectrum attitudes are just atrocious, while at the highest end of the spectrum they are just bad.

Lies! I've watched Pants are Dragon streams! It looks the same! Or PaD is just bad o-o

Weathered1 votes

Bronze is just bad game knowledge and mechanics, silver's start to get some game knowledge and ok mechanics, Golds are good with mechanics but still have bad map managment, plat people are good but just get mad or frustrated really easy.

S0LST0RMER1 votes

nigguh i remember when i was in gold and our 0/5 laners would still try to 1v1 the guy they fed. get this. after going 0/5 after 6 mins our top lane olaf realised he could no longer 1v1 pantheon and in his words "top is lost" , yep. and also, although it was retarded it was also kinda funny,

  • Olaf clearing out Pink ward in bush
  • 5/0 pantheon comes
  • Olaf still clearing out pink ward
  • Pantheon reaches olaf
  • Olaf dies
  • Pink ward survives with 1 hp

this happened twice, this olaf got baited by a pink ward, TWICE

Handin Out Naps1 votes

You are really over exaggerating gold players there. Very few of them know how to play the game.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Bronze: You suck at the game. Silver: You suck less than Bronze. Gold: You suck less than Silver. Platinum: You suck less than Gold. Diamond: You suck less than Platinum. Master: You suck less than Diamond. Challenger: You suck less than Master.

The Sword Saint1 votes

This is the way I see it. There are certainly people who jump all over the place because of their personal skill set but in general...

Bronze: 0 core competencies Silver: 1-2 core competencies Gold: 3-5 core competencies Platinum: 3-5 core competencies plus 1-2 expert competencies Diamond: 4-5 core competencies plus 2-3 expert competencies Master: 6+ core competencies plus 2-3 expert competencies plus 1-2 master competencies Challenger: 7+ core competencies plus 4+ expert competencies plus 3+ master competencies

To have a core competency means to have a theoretical and practical grasp and execution of one of these sorts of things relative to the tier you are in: cs'ing, wave control, vision control, map awareness, trading, dueling, global pressure, split pushing, sieging, teamfighting, objective control, item builds, champion mechanics, shot calling, mentality, consistency, game sense, matchup knowledge, team compositions, rotations, win/lose conditions, jungle routes, closing out games, meta knowledge, patch awareness, theorycrafting, cooldown knowledge, etc.

To have an expert competency means to have a grasp of a skill at a level at least one step beyond your current ranking (ie: a silver player with the mechanics of a gold player on a specific champion).

To have a master competency in a skill means to have approached the absolute skill ceiling, regardless of your current ranking (ie: you have become so skilled at that thing that even professional lcs players would call your abilities 'solid' in that area and would look to exploit your play in another way if possible rather than challenging you in that area directly ('a pro player would rather ban out Riven if boxbox is streaming than let him have it and try to deal with it directly, or else work to specifically counter him with ganks and bad lane matchups')).

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