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Meta is killing this game.

JPDG··35 votes·3,040 views

Hi guys. I'm not going to place there any introduction. You can't deny that your game prosper really bad. Do you know why? You make champions, which are unable to outplay like Zoe. Playing against her is so frustrating and another thing is that she can be even behind, but still enable to one shot someone. Next thing: There is no joy of playing assasin. For example Zed. You guys have added so much form of cc that kills assasins. I can't go in with Zed to just kill adc- I will get Camille R on my face, 234342 CC from Rakan and i won't be able to cast my R to go back to my shadow. Another thing: Lee Sin was a symbol of your game and You removed warding item. I know that you can buff him enough to increase his win rate, but many mechanical players won't have occasion to try in-sec and other spectacular plays.

And, in my opinion, it's impossible to carry game alone, when you get 3213 CC, 2000 dmg combo from 0-5 Zoe. In past I played League, because i knew that if i was enough good, I would reach high division. When i was losing i knew that i should have played better. Actually I feel like I play faultlessly, but despite that everything depends on my team. I realize that It's a team game, but helplessness is too perceptible. Do you know, why HotS isn't popular? Because your impact on game is really small. It's starting to look the same in League.

What can you do? Increase snowball effect, "nerf cc", stop releasing champions which are difficult to understand (Le'Blanc rework[Her new R XDD]). Stop killing this game. JPDG

47 Comments

Ixoziel25 votes

Most of the reworked tanks have disgusting amounts of CC too. Take Zac for instance. He can jump on you from over 1000 range then CC you for years and you can't even reduce it by tenacity because they're all knockups.

They've added way too much CC to the game recently.

I still have no clue why they removed sightstone.

JPDG7 votes

Yeah, Ornn does the same- CC for hours. Moreover, he can bully everyone and he doesn't have to recall, because of passive... Another frustrating champ.

DeusVult6 votes

Orrn has access to "tons of CC" but if you get hit by all of his CC than IMO the orrn outplayed you rather than you got beat by an OP champ.

Everything on his kit is telegraphed and can be dodged fairly easily

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Ornn's interesting... The things he scales with are mana and cdr. Once an Ornn gets enough mana and CDR to just continually spam his abilities he can permalock someone or go on a long, albeit slow, chase with you trying to kill him only for him to slowly whittle you down as he keeps ccing you and running away.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Orrn doesnt scale with anything Or he doesnt scale with anything enough which is his original problem when he had Current hp damage on his W You could stomp lane with Orrn if you played well early and as soon as 7 mins came you lost because your items wont keep you in control of your lane. becuase Q scales with ad W doesnt scale E scales with armor and magic resist (poorly) and ult is long cooldown and scales (poorly )with ap

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Thats my point really. He doesn't scale with anything well except being able to use his abilities more and more often.

OnanThaMan4 votes

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Most of the reworked tanks have disgusting amounts of CC too. Take Zac for instance. He can jump on you from over 1000 range then CC you for years and you can't even reduce it by tenacity because they're all knockups.

They've added way too much CC to the game recently.

I still have no clue why they removed sightstone.

To try and make things more exciting in LCS. They severely limited vision because they were abusing sight stone and the jungle item.

JPDG1 votes

They could solve it differently. For example give Lee Sin passive, which allows him keeping 4 wards on trinket instead of 2.

ampheon1 votes

What problem are you trying to solve, since that only makes the problem of too much vision in proplay worse

Recon12121 votes

I had an idea with lee where one of his moves or passives was like a jarvan flag. Bascially he gets a totem or whatever that acts like a ward but doesnt give vision, its only purpose is to let him jump to it. the CD would be long obviously so it isnt abused that much. The reason i think this would be a good change is because i feel ward jumps should be removed from league and this allows lee to still use it while still being unique to him

My Waifu Vanilla8 votes

Except Zac does roughly the same amount of CC as before. Yes, if you and an ally get hit by a near max range Q then it increases significantly, but Zac ult is much worse than before until level 11 because the charge up time is unreliable to get off unless someone else CC's who you want to scoop or you land the Q which yet again is not the easiest thing in the world since its a wind up linear skillshot with a condition of having someone else in range to auto attack.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

nah..i think he does a bit more and is much more impactful. You're also forgetting q range is much longer than old q range and has a slow on top of a knock up.

Durzaka2 votes

Zac's old Q used to have much higher damage, and a stronger slow, and a much shorter CD.

He paid for the increased range and knockup with a significant amount of dueling power.

Corrupt Bliss1 votes

Sightstone removal has been very beneficial for supports. I'm pretty sure you're talking about tracker's knife?

tea tìme2 votes

I think you don't realize how much stronger Zac was for a while when he had more range on his jump a while back. He's good, but not as fucky as he was before.

Grunt6661 votes

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Most of the reworked tanks have disgusting amounts of CC too. Take Zac for instance. He can jump on you from over 1000 range then CC you for years and you can't even reduce it by tenacity because they're all knockups.

They've added way too much CC to the game recently.

I still have no clue why they removed sightstone.

its not just the CC, its the base dmg, I can build full tank on zac, and 100-0 an ADc i catch out, in that process the ADC might get off 3 autos and I will lose maybe 10% of my hp before they die....#balance.

magickb0y7 votes

100% True, but Rito won't listen to us :(

vgamedude5 votes

A champion unable to play like Zoe whos entire kit involves skill shots, no mobility and an ult that telegraphs where shes going and where she'll be entirely that she can't get out of?

Man that's like NO counterplay dude.

Cant believe people out there circlejerk on how a purely skillshot based mid laner who isn't op in anyway factually right now is op meanwhile we have adcs as a literal class requirement in every game for years and their damage is 99 percent unmissable autos and silence.

Also op since you like zed, zed is factually speaking stronger than Zoe right now. Most would say he is a harder champion and he still has around the same winrate and about two times higher pickrate than the zoe you cry about who has "no counterplay"

Dukues3 votes

Pick up one it what you want but op is right. I think a lot of you just haven't played this game very long to understand how terrible it has gotten. You act like hitting shit with Zoe skill shots is hard, but nevertheless she boring as fuck to play against. But I personally not a huge fan of zed either but I will admit most the champs they make these days may be fun to play but suck ass to play against.

Like Illaoi may not be op but is she fun to lane against... nope. "but she sucks late game so who cares".... well.... people who actually want to play and enjoy games.

You do realize mid/late game one bubble hit by Zoe is an auto kill on a squishy right? So your saying there is so much skill in hitting that one skill shot it should be an auto kill? Weird..... game never used to be that way. Players could take damage, players could actually trade and not just instant die.

Idk man.... cc, armor, reduce attack speed items seem to be pretty good verse adcs. Maybe try them sometime?

vgamedude1 votes

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Pick up one it what you want but op is right. I think a lot of you just haven't played this game very long to understand how terrible it has gotten. You act like hitting shit with Zoe skill shots is hard, but nevertheless she boring as fuck to play against. But I personally not a huge fan of zed either but I will admit most the champs they make these days may be fun to play but suck ass to play against.

Like Illaoi may not be op but is she fun to lane against... nope. "but she sucks late game so who cares".... well.... people who actually want to play and enjoy games.

You do realize mid/late game one bubble hit by Zoe is an auto kill on a squishy right? So your saying there is so much skill in hitting that one skill shot it should be an auto kill? Weird..... game never used to be that way. Players could take damage, players could actually trade and not just instant die.

Idk man.... cc, armor, reduce attack speed items seem to be pretty good verse adcs. Maybe try them sometime?

Funny you say hitting with zoe isn't hard yet you defend adcs who literally cant miss with their damage. I will never understand this logic.

You actually have to aim and hit with zoe, you do realize mid to late game adcs can half health squishies with static crits? Have you seen pros on caitlyn once they get 3 items? Zoe has to actually hit a max range skillshot at least.

Player3Th0mas4 votes

Oh yeah, everything should be as strong as everything else in every situation. Now we can play what we want, when we want it, and there's no strategic element involved in team comp at all. Now we can all skip through a field of daisies without any competitive element!

Dukues2 votes

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Oh yeah, everything should be as strong as everything else in every situation. Now we can play what we want, when we want it, and there's no strategic element involved in team comp at all. Now we can all skip through a field of daisies without any competitive element!

Damn you a dumb one aren't you?

Colton1472 votes

Supports are suppose to protect their team.

What are they suppose to do? See an assassin and abandon the teammate to let the assassin kill them?

JPDG5 votes

Rakan is supposed to do a healing, engaging, shielding, peeling, tanking, chasing, kiteing... Supports should specialize in something. Rakan does everything.

TonyTonyMordecai6 votes

Sorry, but Rakan can't tank for very long, and his healing isn't anything spectacular.

Corrupt Bliss1 votes

Mhm. I'd classify Rakan more as an initiator support along the lines of Alistar Leona Nautilus. Sure he brings a little bit of everything, but honestly Rakan does not excel at anything. I think his strengths lay in his speed and ability to weave in and out of fights.

TonyTonyMordecai1 votes

Yep, his initiation is very good, but he has about the same if not better durability as the other enchanter supports, minus the added mobility that allows him to keep out of harms way and quickly jump into the fight. Plus his personality is probably the reason why I played him so often

Handy Sandy 1 votes

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Sorry, but Rakan can't tank for very long, and his healing isn't anything spectacular.

The fact he can heal at all gives him and his adc decent sustain in lane when someone healthier like Leona or Tahm is vulnerable to being poked down.

TonyTonyMordecai1 votes

That’s true, but his healing requires him to hit a champion or epic monster, so he sometimes has to thread the needle or stand outside the minions to land his Q

gabetheguy1 votes

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Rakan is supposed to do a healing, engaging, shielding, peeling, tanking, chasing, kiteing... Supports should specialize in something. Rakan does everything.

and rakan does those things with utter mediocrity. rakan is a jack of all trades, master of none.

old league sucked btw.

Freewalker2 votes

I agree that there is too much cc in the game now. Me and my friends got rolled recently in TT because a Gnar Lux Udyr team had infinite cc.

I remember a time when all you had to worry about was Morgana, and the rest of the cc meta was okay to deal with (except maybe Blitzcrank). Basically, all you had to do was dodge a skill shot, and Morgana's projectile speed on her Q is slow moving compared to other champs. These days it's near-instant cc.

But hey, I don't play ranked, so I don't study counterplay.

I'm seeing way too many games without any supports on the enemy's team comp, because they don't need one. I'm seeing double bot lanes and ap carries wrecking up the lane.

Yara02 votes

Zed is the most toxic assassin in the game want proof? His WR is 49% yet he has the highest ban rate in the game (just before Yasuo go figure). zed is in that group of champions that any time they are meta they are busted as fuck. Why? because the way his kit is designed if zed kills you lvl 1-6 you lose lane. 1 kill and zed will smash your shit into the ground until he takes your tower solo AKA zed in low elo has seemingly 0 counter play , a free excape and is frustrating for players to fight against.

Zed at high elo is dog shit. Why? because his kit actually has a shit load of counter play that if you understand how they play and what they will try to do is easily countered like camping when he hits lvl 6 or just starting with the hourglass rune. Plus zeds teamfight and end game are flat out dog shit.

Plus the ban rates dont lie Zed and Yasuo are the most hated champions in the casual community (which greatly out numbers the ranked playerbase) meaning he wont get buffed till riot figures out how to make him more dealable. Which wont happen unless hes reworked because his kit just flat out doesnt allow for any way to make him less frustrating to play or play against. Hes like the polar opposite of Ryze.

He has the highest ban rate from gold all the way down to normals yet has never been banned in the pro league this year and has been played once in the LLN and no where else. Zed is an extremely rough champion to balance.

End rant about zed.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

he's actually the weakest and historically the most balanced assassin in the game...

Pommel Knight1 votes

That would be Fizz or Shaco, neither of them have ever been popular in worlds, high elo or broke the game as assassins.

Only time they were good was with their tank builds. You can add Ekko there too.

Grunt6662 votes

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That would be Fizz or Shaco, neither of them have ever been popular in worlds, high elo or broke the game as assassins.

Only time they were good was with their tank builds. You can add Ekko there too.

oh god really? sorry the other end is the retardation of "assassins" garbage no skill champs given so much mobilty, dmg, gap closers , stealth and untargetability, oh wow I got with in 800 range of xyz I auto die with zero hope to his 3 button "combo" lol. Please dont bring up pro play with the assassins because the only reason they rarely flourish in the pros is the entire team is willing to cooperate to stop said assassins, play solo que you have no hope.

SpongebobIsLife2 votes

completely false. Fizz has more combined gameplay on the worlds and shaco's toxic kit is one that wouldn't be viable in the pro series. Ekko also has plenty of play in pro play.

Also, you shouldnt use pro league to determine the worth of a champion.

PickIe Rickkk2 votes

remember the days when all you had to worry about was amumu, malphite, and old alistar?

Poske2 votes

stop releasing champions which are difficult to understand (Le'Blanc rework[Her new R XDD]).

THE AMMOUNT OF CURSING I HAVE TO KEEP INSIDE MYSELF READING THIS SENTENCE IF OFF THE CHARTS

JPDG1 votes

If you play league for long time, there is no problem to understand new champs and reworks. But for new players the description of ability covering half of the screen has a deterrent effect.

BoilTheOil1 votes

idk zoe is ok now

Kyunsei1 votes

Not Zoe. ( Her passive and, W passive damage are dumb, but most of her damage can be worked around)

Camille R combined with her E is un-avoidable. Sejuani E (stun) is un-avoidable. ADC auto-attack are un-avoidable (and deadliest) Enchanter shield are un-avoidable.

My sincere wish for a brighter future in league : Make everything skillshot, like Battlerite and I heard Smite works this way too.

GodlyBane1 votes

its impossible to stop a meta.

something will ALWAYS be the best

something will ALWAYS be abusable

sorry, but metas are unavoidable

:/

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

this is a teamgame.... and meta isn't killing this game the devs are with their massive ego....

Starcraft243ver1 votes

You can't deny that your game prosper really bad.

Hem, proof ?

JPDG1 votes

Deacresing number of active accounts, viewership on Twitch and YT

Starcraft243ver1 votes

That's not a proof, it's statement.

A proof would be :

  • Number of twitch viewers per months in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 (+ source of the datas, twitch if possible) Same for active accounts (from riot's or eventually using the data mining sites (leagueofgraph etc)) to estimate the number of accounts.

And showing the tendancies.

Not just blunt stating something.

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