So why is Teemo allowed top lane? He honestly belongs mid instead of top.

Colton147··2 votes·4,062 views

As the title says...

In my opinion, Teemo is much more of a mid laner than a top laner; Teemo pretty much has no real counter in the top lane, which is not fair to real top laners.

While I do occasionally bring Ziggs top lane (not often however; it is quite rare though); I've found that he has much more counters in top lane than Teemo, such as Riven, Jayce, Pantheon, Shaco, etc.

19 Comments

MisterSki5 votes

That isn't how the game works.... You sadly can play any champ in ANY role. Who made you the almighty of league to decide who gets to go where?

Colton1471 votes

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That isn't how the game works.... You sadly can play any champ in ANY role. Who made you the almighty of league to decide who gets to go where?

True. :)

Everyone is welcome to play any champion any role if you'd like. Sometimes I do not agree, as some champions have an unfair advantage against certain champions - as it can help you win, it wouldn't be fair to your teammates and your enemy team; I love playing a fair game honestly.

To each their own though. :)

Critmaster Garen1 votes

i started banning him since they removed the trap disable from control wards.

there is no counterplay to his shrooms anymore. he can sit in a nest of shrooms throughout the entire lane phase. if youre melee, youll never be able to make a play on him.

even if you know where his shrooms are, it doesnt help. he can just run through them in a staight line, while youre... what are you supposed to do exactly? catch up by running zig zag through a mine field?

his play rate also shot up since then. so its actually a good ban right now.

LadyRenly2 votes

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i started banning him since they removed the trap disable from control wards.

there is no counterplay to his shrooms anymore. he can sit in a nest of shrooms throughout the entire lane phase. if youre melee, youll never be able to make a play on him.

even if you know where his shrooms are, it doesnt help. he can just run through them in a staight line, while youre... what are you supposed to do exactly? catch up by running zig zag through a mine field?

his play rate also shot up since then. so its actually a good ban right now.

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Critmaster Garen1 votes

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cooldown??????

not available until lvl 9??????

doesnt disable traps anymore?????

read the tooltip what "sweeping" does.

revealing invisible traps and revealing/disabling wards

i literally opened my post with the comment that im banning him since they removed the trap disable from items.

Ðroxx2 votes

or just walk behind minions. that works too.

SilentBomber1 votes

Teemo has real counters top and he is easy to gank.Only junglers with poor decision making wouldn't gank a Teemo for free gold and top lane.Teemo mid offers no tactics.You just leave your team without decent apc with hard CC. :)

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Teemo has real counters top and he is easy to gank.Only junglers with poor decision making wouldn't gank a Teemo for free gold and top lane.Teemo mid offers no tactics.You just leave your team without decent apc with hard CC. :)

he has counter picks.

but what if he picks into you?

Kai Guy2 votes

Then your like any other lane the gets counter picked, and you suffer in lane with out help from team as you do your best to gain gold and not bleed out kills. Reason he is played top is to abuse champions with bad matchups but if he cant destroy your late game your team has an advantage unless yall derping thru jungle and shroomed lanes. In mid he is the one with many bad matchups which is why he is not played there frequently and he also looses the advantage of being able to shroom the gank paths that he has in top.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Then your like any other lane the gets counter picked, and you suffer in lane with out help from team as you do your best to gain gold and not bleed out kills. Reason he is played top is to abuse champions with bad matchups but if he cant destroy your late game your team has an advantage unless yall derping thru jungle and shroomed lanes. In mid he is the one with many bad matchups which is why he is not played there frequently and he also looses the advantage of being able to shroom the gank paths that he has in top.

its not like any other lane. i get counter picked by a darius, i can freeze the lane at my turret, stack resistances and farm safely to keep up in cs and xp until i can deal with him. he cant touch me under my turret without taking shots himself.

i dont get constanly poked and denied cs by blinds while he throws in some shots at my turet aswell.

when darius overextends, hes also gonna be gankable and doesnt wall off every possible path with shrooms, so my jungler is at half health before hes even in lane.

when daris loses lane, hes still not going to be constantly sitting top being a splitpushing menace.

teemo is a special breed of stupid to face.

Kai Guy1 votes
  1. If dari is your counter, he should be freezing lane and your gonna lose cs or get hit with his full kit for moveing into his range. Shure junglers don't have to dodge shrooms but he should still be warding and forcing jungler to camp top frees up his jungler. You might get less blinding darts under your tower but once he has a gold lead he can dive you, much better then the satan rat. Worth noting that despite the different playstyle Darius counters more tops at a higher win rate then teemo, as does Kayle. If your melee only and don't have a skill to lh with range, your likely gonna miss out on cs from ranged minions under tower vs darius as he will be able to E you then combo away, potentially more lethal then dealing with the slow Q poke from the rat, but again its a match up thing. Some champs cant really CS when blinded after all.
  2. Shrooms, If you don't step on them then they don't matter save for the occasional occurrence he chucked on into your face. Given that you see them when they get cast, communicate this information, keep vision in the areas teemo commonly shrooms and don't let your jungle walk into one surprised. you can convey this information. Also a Red trinket and item 2055 are usefull. If there is a teemo, don't run into a jungle you lacked vision or your just asking to get smacked by shrooms, if your in your minion wave your asking to pop a shroom, or if you don't follow the ground cleared by a minion wave. Teemo can split well, but he is not the worst offender. teemo is a exceptionally frustrating counter, this is why we call him satan after all but if you main champions who have well known counters that destroy their ability to contribute anything to team, Regardless of who it is, you should be asking for teammates to use a ban on the worst offender, or hopefully just have a large pool and try to set up a swap in lobby with your support, adc, or jungle to give you opportunity to decide your matchup.
Critmaster Garen1 votes

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  1. If dari is your counter, he should be freezing lane

who is going to freeze lane depends on who manages to establish the freeze. if i can bait darius into 1 q, even if it hits me, he will push lane.

  1. Shrooms, If you don't step on them then they don't matter

and thats where youre wrong.

theyre

a) a zoning/kiting tool that prevents you from making a play on him. knowing where the shrooms are doesnt mean youre going to be able to engage on him and catch him out. ever.

he can kite away from you in a straight line while youd have to chase him by maneuvering around the shrooms. who do you think is going to be faster?

this means he can poke you from behind a safety net that you cant circumvent.

b) theyre a tool to waveclear, theyre tool to block off all jungle entrances to the lane allowing him even to overextend without having to be afraid against a lot of junglers.

Kai Guy1 votes
  1. I really feel that any hard counter who gets momentum is frustrating especially when they prevent you from being relevant, most of the time they do this by preventing you from getting any cs. I very much don't feel that teemo or darius is any special exception to this. I kinda want to go off on how darius should be using his mechanics to snowball a bad matchup but its just grounds for further debate and frankly if you don't agree with me on frustration from snowballed hard counters its just gonna be a waste of both our time for no real benefit to anyone. Please let me know if you agree or not.

  2. Your correct point A and a good part of B. I am guilty of gross exaggerating to make point. My bad there, let me try to be a bit more clear. Its still a tool in his kit with uses even when your not actively triggering them, Your right on this point. Yet lots of the irritation I see from people dealing with his R is their own fault and they neglect to take the right steps to prevent it. Do we agree on this?

SilentBomber2 votes

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he has counter picks.

but what if he picks into you?

It;s the same when you get countered by other champion. ;)

SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes

teemo has very few counterpicks, but the people that do counter him will just rape him in lane and make teemo look like the worst champ ever made

I think riot comfirmed he was going to get a rework, theyre probably going to add counterplay to his kit since its almost universally accepted that his counterplay just isnt there

I Ward A Lot1 votes

Teemo can play any position and build any item (that is usable for ranged champs at least). This is because the entire purpose of teemo is to cause chaos. Shaco shares this quality and the reason why he isn't played top, adc, supp, or mid generally is simply because he is not ranged. That's it. Well that and the blind.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i didnt know a champ was subjected to a certain lane?

LongHair Fox1 votes

It is fun to play lulu against teemo... just saying.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Yes, get Teemo into my midlane. It's a free win for me.

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