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Damage is my problem with Ekko

Maaaagic·6/21/2015, 6:27:43 PM·1 votes·866 views

I see many people complain about Ekko's stun, his dashes, or his ultimate's cost / heal, but personally my problem with Ekko is how easy and how fast he can chunk people down with his incredible base stats and ratios. It's ridiculous.

Let's say Ekko is lvl 18, and he lands a full Q (going out and back) and an E on a single target. Just that, let's see his damage

Q Damage = 280 (+ 80% AP) E Damage = 170 (+ 20% AP) Passive proc = 231 (+ 70% AP)

Total: 681 (+ 170% AP) DAMAGE Not to mention the 80% slow + speedup that occurs as well

That's what Ekko does with 2 abilities. No auto-attacks, no ultimate, no ignite, just 1 full Q and 1 E at lvl 18.

With 400 AP, combo does 681 (+ 680) = 1361 DAMAGE from 2 abilities.

What other Assasin does that much damage with just 2 regular abilities (non-ult)? Let's take a look at some other burst assassins

Veigar:

Q Damage = 260 (+ 60% AP) E Damage = 320 (+ 100% AP) Total = 580 (+160% AP)

Still falls short by 101 (+ 10% AP)

LeBlanc:

Q Damage = 310 (+ 80% AP) E Damage = 280 (+ 100% AP) Total = 590 (+ 180% AP)

Still falls short by 91 damage, but has a 10% lower AP Ratio, so if Leblanc has over 910 AP her QE combo would do more damage.

TL;DR: Ekko does too much damage, and it's not his Q and E abilities that are out of line, it's his passive that adds to much utility and damage as well. We could have also taken into account the bonus damage of his W on targets bellow 30%, but that's too much math for right now.

4 Comments

tonzillacrayon6/21/2015, 6:28:48 PM1 votes

ziggs late game and range>

disregardable6/21/2015, 6:36:04 PM1 votes

You compared someone that isn't an assassin and an assassin without her full damage. Uh?

67chrome6/21/2015, 7:10:53 PM1 votes

Total: 681 (+ 170% AP) DAMAGE Not to mention the 80% slow + speedup that occurs as well

That's what Ekko does with 2 abilities. No auto-attacks, no ultimate, no ignite, just 1 full Q and 1 E at lvl 18.

With 400 AP, combo does 681 (+ 680) = 1361 DAMAGE from 2 abilities.

The average QWER burst for most characters is ~1000+222% AP. AD assassins seem to be more in the ~1000+490% bonus AD zone. That goes as much for tanks like Leona as it does mages like Annie.

and with ~450 AP on pretty much any burst-caster you double their damage, taking it from ~1000 to ~2000.

And for the 1000 - that's not counting auto-attacks, thing like Cassi's poison applying more than the minimum 2 seconds, or Tibber's whalloping you and burning you to death with AoE damages.

What other Assasin does that much damage with just 2 regular abilities (non-ult)? Let's take a look at some other burst assassins

Kha'Zix comes really close with 621+380% bonus AD.

A single Shaco's Jack-in-the-Box can deal up to 855+180% AP.

Jax's QWE rotation can do up to 710 damage with a fully-charged counterstrike. He doesn't even need to cast his ult to get the passive 220 damage hit in that mix either for a 930+190% AP +100%AD burst, or 780 +190% AP +50% AD with everyone ignoring helicopter mode. Annnnd that's all on a 8 second CD.

Also - the capacity to move from 1 kill to another back-to-back is a thing most assassins and ???/assassins can do. Sometimes that's no real reliance on their ult for damage so they just do things with QWE (Khazix ), sometimes it's a really short CD ult (Kassadin ), sometimes it's re-setting mechanics so they get to use their ult over and over (Katarina Diana Akali ), sometimes it's massive auto-attack power so their AA fallow-up from the QWER does pretty much the same level of damage (Fiora Yasuo MasterYi ).

TheRakkun6/21/2015, 7:27:08 PM1 votes

No the problem with ekko is the same problem with leblanc and Zed an tryndamere, you can't (Or couldn't in zed's case) punish them unless you can somehow CC them before they do it.