riot REMOVING dragons gold rewards is bad for the game

Randolpht·Nov 17, 2014·2 votes·831 views

riot i felt a very exciting strategy portion of the game in competitive was seeing teams trade dragon gold for tower gold and play the map in different ways

with the first few kills of dragon providing very little stats, and its very hard to balance it to have it be something other than gold, basically dragon sucks now

dragon should just be balanced to give gold riot. its better for the game

by removing dragons gold reward, you are heavily REDUCING the strategic excitement of the game in competitive

you are REDUCING the strategy choices teams have to play the map for gold . making less overall strategy play options for competitive games

BAD FOR THE GAME RIOT

DO NOT REMOVE DRAGON GOLD REWARDS

13 Comments

ValyrianBladeNov 17, 20142 votes

It will go from trading tower for Dragon to always fighting at tower or Dragon. The dragon stacks will add up eventually so the teams will still want them I think. They should really reduce the triple to double though on stack 5, and make each of the earlier stacks 50% better to make it a more meaningful reward for early kills. Otherwise people will just ignore it as a senseless risk.

OnegarionNov 17, 20141 votes

Well if they are to be believed in their initial testing there was I believe only 2% of all games actually had a team that got the 5 stacks. Now ofc this is PBE and is very limited, but if that 2% stays roughly the same I don't really think that it would be that bad. I mean you take dragon being on a 6 minute CD and now that he is actually hard to kill you won't see any early soloers. Dragon ideally won't be tempted till probably about the 8 mark at the earliest (not a PBE tester though) So assuming that he gets taken at the 8 minute mark and assuming that only 1 team actually gets drag AND that they are there as soon as it spawns again they wouldn't have a full 5 stacks till the 38 minute mark and lets be real most matches especially at higher elos are typically decided at this point in the game. So if a team is running perfectly already and in time for dragons they won't really need it because they are running so smoothly.

Again though if once this hits live we see a huge increase of 5 stack dragons then yes that would probably be the ideal spot to nerf theoretically, but I really don't see this being the case.

ValyrianBladeNov 17, 20141 votes

Sorry, I meant just buff the early stats and adjust attack 5 accordingly to make the total for 5 stacks the same.

I.e. 1.5 × 2 = 3

killd0zerNov 17, 20142 votes

Lol teams trading dragon for a tower was exciting?

It was just a reactionary move, and was at the point where you just expect it. If you got a dragon and the other team didn't take an objective, you just essentialy start winning from that point on, bar one person feeding really badly.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 17, 20142 votes

Gold in this game can only be translated to stats with the exception of wards.

New dragon gives stats instead of gold.

I don't see a problem.

Hullabaloo907Nov 17, 20141 votes

I think one difference will be that fed players will get more benefits from dragon now.

SerBlaiseNov 17, 20141 votes

Have you played the PBE? Dragon provides some decent stats, especially for split push comps.

OnegarionNov 17, 20141 votes

The problem with a lot of new players is they don't view stats as "gold" even though you use gold to buy stats.

SerBlaiseNov 17, 20141 votes

I don't see how this is a problem...I mean they get the stats and the power whether they realize it or not.

OnegarionNov 18, 20141 votes

yes but if they don't realize it it seems like its a massive nerf. To people that understand it there isn't a problem. To those who don't they think that all of a sudden you don't get gold at all or no real value to it, but thats where a bad player stops and a good player starts. As soon as the dragon buffs are solid there will without a doubt be someone who will run the math on exactly how much gold you get for each dragon killed.

Hullabaloo907Nov 17, 20141 votes

There will be a difference because the stats will add up when it gets to late game. A fed champ will have dragon bonuses on top of his items, so full builds will be stronger.

OnegarionNov 18, 20141 votes

There is a difference to a player that knows, but not to a player that doesn't know any better.

ModKnightsKemplarNov 17, 20141 votes

That's a pretty hardline post to make without providing any real evidence. We haven't seen any pro play with the new drag yet, so I wouldn't go there if I were you. I actually think reduced emphasis on early game dragons would be great for pro play, since it would open up more junglers besides early game powerhouses like Lee Sin. For the same reason you say it's bad (less incentive for dragon early), I say it's great.