Can we finally give Sejuani some love?

jade harley BARK·11/1/2014, 12:57:35 AM·28 votes·4,343 views

I've played her a lot during all her free weeks, and she's a champion I've come to adore. However, what's preventing me from buying her is the fact that she doesn't really do much. Jungling is a struggle, and if you were to get counter jungled you're pretty much screwed for the rest of the game. She isn't useful until you reach 6 and max all her abilities. You can gank pre-6, yes, but your presence wont be much. I heard she was really good before, but got nerfed to the ground and was never looked at again. I'd really love to see this champion brought back to her formal glory.

83 Comments

MattAkhavan11/1/2014, 5:27:27 AM8 votes

Hey guys, I am going to pop in here and give my two cents on Sejuani.

TBH the worst part of sej (for me) is that she has no feel to her.

Sejuani definitely has a feel to her, and she is really unlike most of the standard champions that every one plays. Sejuani is a really tanky mage with huge burst and amazing crowd control. Sejuani has the ability to do more than 50% health to entire teams, and 1v1 almost any carry late game.

Her kit just feels like garbage.

Her kit is actually what makes her viable throughout the game and allows you to be a tanky burst champion. Sejuania has 2 moves that scale with health keeping you relevant-ish if you build pure tank. And her ap scaling and base damage is pretty good on all of her spells. adding a little bit of ap gives her a ton of damage because of her high base damage on her spells. Not to mention that her passive gives her +25 armor and MR along with 25% slow reduction.

She's like Amumu but worse in almost every way; Amumu better clear Amumu better damage Amumu stronger late game Amumu better jungle sustain Amumu higher overall threat

This is just generally not true. The clear times between amumu and sejuani are actually very similar, to the point where there difference is negligible. In the case of damage, Full ap amumu vs full Ap Sejuani is also similar, therefore negligible. Infact, it probably leans towards sejuani. full tank sej vs full tank amumu leans towards sejuani, but is again negligible. As far as lat game goes they are both equally useful if played correctly. They both provide similar forms of cc and engage. Neither amumu nor Sejuani have sustain. Sejuani has more threat than amumu in most cases in my opinion.

Just going to leave these here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxR_tj7ardE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxfUOz88pGE

HalloweenDeath11/1/2014, 5:24:14 AM4 votes

Shes just amumu 2.0 but worse imo the only thing better about sejuani is her ult but it's not that much better. Some would argue worse but I value the range.

Kingsgrave11/1/2014, 7:51:25 PM4 votes

Her mana costs are way too damn high
Her W is not only clunky but it deals like no damage
Her passive is pathetic

cHAncEman129211/1/2014, 4:56:04 AM3 votes

I play Sejuani off and on, what I like about her is honestly her versatility when it comes to how she approaches a fight. This is what makes Sejuani stand out in my opinion in that she has extremely strong crowd control from a distance while being equally devastating from up close. Her ult can be used as a safe engage and disengage. She can reposition MUCH easier than any other tank jungler due to her ability to cross walls. Futhermore she builds health to do damage. In my opinion Sejuani also has one of the best ults in the game. Wrap this all into one package you have a VERY flexible jungler with devastating utility. Sure her first clear is a lil slow but honestly you should get both your buffs as quick as possible then start ganking and KEEP ganking - her pre six ganks are disgusting in comparison to other junglers

Drogmyre11/1/2014, 1:41:04 AM3 votes

TBH the worst part of sej (for me) is that she has no feel to her.

What i mean is like if you're playing Garen or Darius, you FEEL the power behind your abilities and auto attacks. You think to yourself 'oooh that must have hurt' when landing abilities like Noxian Guillotine.

Sejuani has none of that. TBH, she has no 'feel' for any of her abilities and ESPECIALLY not her auto attacks. When playing Sej i have no fucking clue whether or not i'm even attacking at all! Her kit just feels like garbage.

Cenobite Azaziel11/1/2014, 2:14:59 AM3 votes

Wanna buffs for seijuani? Play amumu. There, problem solved. Q is a gap closer (way more longer), W and E deal way more damage (less CC) and the ult ins't a skill shot.

Hoai11/2/2014, 6:09:13 AM3 votes

And in the new S5 Jungle, she can barely survive 3 camps let alone 2 if you happen to do chickens, since there are now only 2 starting hp pots. One rioter did say they might improve a bit of her stats though when pre-S5 comes.

I Main Swain11/1/2014, 4:55:59 PM2 votes

I agree 100000000%. I used to play sejuani allll the time, even bought bear cavalry. however, I found that everything she had to do was a struggle. surviving camps and ganks early was a struggle, her mana pool was a struggle, ganking was a struggle, getting counterjungled was a struggle. she's basically a worse version of amumu with a little more cc pre 6. ive gotten to the point where I am wholey convinced that she is currently the worse champ in the game, or at the very least one of them. she doesn't even have a tank passive or ability unless you count her pathetic little armor boost, which doesn't synergize with the rest of her kit or build pattern at all.

WereScrib11/1/2014, 10:53:54 AM2 votes

Sejuani hasn't felt fun since shortly after her rework, and she was only fun then as she was OP as ~~fuck~~(Sorry. She was a tank in a meta where tank jungles were trash, outperforming bruisers in damage while building pure tankiness.) Prerework she was that champion that was almost. If she survived to the mid/lategame she became god. Her damage was so obscene it wasn't even funny.

But her rework state came with more balance, but it was...well. Undertuned. She was outperformed in key categories by the other tank jungles while suffering from all the flaws of being a tank jungle. Basically, she was useless. The hit to her damage in every category was just too much. She couldn't compete as her CC wasn't that much greater.

Also, they nerfed her silly Bikini and they REALLY nerfed her joke. So GOOD F-ING GAME RIOT.

WINTER IS CALLING.

Dominick Destine11/1/2014, 4:19:29 AM2 votes

Sejuani has the advantage of high disabling power (Ult is AoE stun or AoE slow / Permafrost is powerful AoE slow / Stampete move is single target stun and mobility), her big issue is that her clear is atrocious and she has absolutely no sustain.

She's like Amumu but worse in almost every way; Amumu better clear Amumu better damage Amumu stronger late game Amumu better jungle sustain Amumu higher overall threat

Sejuani needs a shield, maybe built into her Q or something because she loses alot of health just clearing the jungler, regardless of which jungle item you purchase. You take the least damage from AP Jungle item but that strongly contradicts her "Stack Health FTW" W (Flail of Northern Winds scales very well with HP) and Spirit of the Ancient Golem doesn't give her the sustain to survive jungle without getting raped by jungle mobs.

Basically, she needs buffs. Why pick sej over Amumu, Vi or Lee? Hell, why pick Sej over Jarvan?

Quepha11/1/2014, 5:01:50 AM2 votes

pros are building her as an ap assassin now. q does more damage against jungle camps per level than w, e deals more damage in ganks than w, sejuani is squishy as fuck in the early game and a hulking barbarian that almost loses against the golem camp, much less any actual champions.

what i'm saying is that riot has put sejuani in a weird place since her rework

DaCush11/1/2014, 5:40:23 AM2 votes

Wait for jungle changes.

Urgle11/1/2014, 7:53:52 AM2 votes

The only love Sej needs is players that know how to utilize her properly. She has one of the best initiates in the game. If you know what your doing with her, your gonna be some trouble.

Season 9 Amumu11/1/2014, 3:50:25 PM2 votes

Honstly shes better as pure ap, on one hand, shes really fun as an ap assassin, on the other, shes supposed to be jungle :P

VeterenMantis11/1/2014, 4:45:43 PM2 votes

Sejuani by all rights is a tanky support. Not in the sence she needs to go bot lane, but her job is to make sure the enemy team doesn't get away.

I know it hurts the champion you love most of all is is to help the rest of the team get kills R.I.P Ashe

Kowe The Ewok11/1/2014, 6:41:05 PM2 votes

Imho Sejuani's Q should have a much lower cooldown. While it is a strong ability it just feels weird to have such a long cooldown on it. It just feels like that boar should be jumping around a lot more.

Maybe the flat damage could be lowered significantly - but the cooldown aswell.

Pweaty Pwease?

Web Cobra11/2/2014, 12:27:48 AM2 votes

Unless the champ you play name starts with lee they end up getting nerfed or not viable in current meta, my poor hecarim got nerfed to hell a while ago but I still play him with mixed success but if you enjoy a champ play it

Sammystorm11/1/2014, 6:47:54 AM1 votes

I would love to see them hit her ap scaling and then give her better jungle clears.

Chortle11/7/2014, 4:11:05 PM1 votes

Sejuani is completely fine. OP assassin when Full AP and almost unkillable when built tank.

She has great damage early, great cc, and superb mobility. Her clear time in jungle improves significantly if you start red buff.

Focus on ganking a lane that can snowball your game and GG. Sej ganks have crazy high percentage of succeeding even before 6.

Her drawbacks include low MS and relatively low dragon/baron pressure.

Velasan11/2/2014, 5:59:49 AM1 votes

Playing Sejuani top lane is fun and she can counter some specific champions. She is strong in her own way, but I would also say that she lacks a niche. Lots of characters have big cc's or are very tanky. Sejuani doesn't particularly excel at it above anyone else.

She's one of my favorite champions though. Play her for fun.

apuig11/1/2014, 5:48:58 PM1 votes

http://www.nerfplz.com/2014/10/2014-champion-tier-list-solo-queue.html

Yup, that's Sejuani up there in Tier 1.

GoldenLeSpoink11/1/2014, 5:48:07 AM1 votes

Honestly, I love Sej and I think her kit is wondrous...for someone mid lane. I personally go Sej Mid than her jungle believe it or not and not to mention she has go AP Ratios. What Riot was intending when they nerf'd Sej was to make her be able to go support or top lane rather than just jungle; however, they failed utterly and instead made her unviable completely. If they are going to do a Rework, she is not priority, but definitely someone they should look at.