Welp. Nerfed range, nerfed base health, nerfed armor, removed grievous wounds, eviscerated attack speed. Added an ability that does, at BEST, about 2.5 autoattacks worth of damage....probably the same 2.5 more autoattacks she'd have had pre 'rework'.
It's been a fun few years. I've been playing her since S1, and she was a big part of my LoL experience.
But she is dead now.
Anyone else upset about this?
Welp. Nerfed range, nerfed base health, nerfed armor, removed grievous wounds, eviscerated attack speed.
Tristana starts off with the range of a typical ADC, and has range that scales, which automatically puts her a leg above 
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. By the time she hits level 12 her range is almost 
's, and by 18 she's got better range than 
with Fishbones, whilst being free cost on AAs while having splash damage on minion kills. This is going to be nerfed, yes, but she's still going to have range greater than Caitlyn by level 18, with the same bursty dueling capabilities to boot.
In addition, Tristana's E was cancer. Grievous wounds and damage over time is some of the most toxic shit in the game, hence why they are removing Tristana's old E and it on Fizz's W. Miss Fortune gets a free pass because her only DOT is her E, which isn't tacked onto the greivous wounds, you need to activate two expensive abilities for that to work.
Added an ability that does, at BEST, about 2.5 autoattacks worth of damage....probably the same 2.5 more autoattacks she'd have had pre 'rework'.
You have a champ that automatically one ups most ADCs' range by the time she levels up for the first time, and she trumps almost all of them by the time she hits level 9, with the exceptions being Caitlyn and Jinx. That coupled with high attack speed, an AOE splash damage gap closer that can be used as an escape upon a kill or assist, and you've got a champion with very little counterplay once she gets rolling. The attack speed was a tradeoff for counterplay, especially with this new E she's getting. Despite this, I'm pretty sure she's still going to be bursting down your carries and dunking your towers.
It's been a fun few years. I've been playing her since S1, and she was a big part of my LoL experience.
But she is dead now.
Anyone else upset about this?
And finally, you are making a hyperbole about a champion retune that HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET. FFS, I want to slam my head against my keyboard every time someone whines about a new champion being the next Xin Zhao on release, or being Gnar bad. Unless you're a PBE tester, you don't have any experience with the champ. Do I think the new numbers are a little low? Yes I do actually, and I think Rito's going to adjust the patch after, because they are going to get a HELLUVA LOT OF DATA FROM ALL THE PEOPLE PLAYING A CHAMP YOU CAN GET FREE ON FACEBOOK. Is she DEAD now? Fuck no. She's going to get the shit played out of her when the patch rolls around, just like Karthus and Twitch did, and people are going to say she's OP/UP, the whole nonsense that always happens.
TR;DL, quit whining about reworks, Riot did it because the champ lacked counterplay and couldn't balance her without changes, same thing happened to a lot of champions before. I predict that she's going to be weak on release, but she's far from dead, and outside a new E and weaker stats, she's still Tristy. I lump posts like yours with the millions of silent "mains" of a champ that immediately circlejerk about how "RITO RHUINED MAH CHAMP!!1!" the instant a rework goes live.
Edit: Cue the downvotes and flame me and call me a moron or whatever instead of actually making a solid argument, because this is the internet and the league community after all...
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This is a Swain buff, I like that.
exactly. Tristana was FUCKING FINE before they buffed her ult range and removed the mana cost off Q. Even after that she wasnt super overpowered like Lucian was. I don't understand why they completely gutted her as the lategame hyper carry she was. Now she is no longer a hyper carry, and looks to be urgot tier.
Why doesn't anyone mention that we still have 
Patch just comes out - complains. You'll change your mind once you realize the control she'll have over her lane.
Don't see how any Trist player possibly could disagree with this. They already chopped her base AS gain and now they nerf it again. Don't say anything about this passive change, now she is no longer at Cait range when passive stacked at level 16+.
Removing her old E.... Yeah lets just take away biggest part of her kit (aside from range that they hit and double nerfed AS).
If buffs were too much just put her back to where she was. I played her well before ult and E range buffs and always did well. Complete different champ now and none of it was needed.
Even if she plays well she is nothing like she was before and for a Trist main that hurts. Fix champs that are broken don't ruin champs that are where they need to be.
Totally needed base hp and armor nerfs too. Give her less range and make her easier to kill at same time.
Goodnight sweet Princess.
Favorite would have to be second base AS nerf this time with no added AS to Q so straight nerf. From 4% to 2.5% now we are at 1.5% AS per level. Meaning she is now at less then half her total AS gain by 18 from before.
Swept that passive nerf under the rug pretty well until release notes as well.
RIP my favorite league champion. I don't "main" her, she's not my most played champion. But she was fun and she did what she was supposed to do, which is become a late game monster. I don't think she needed any nerfs, but if they wanted to put a mana cost back on her Q and revert the ultimate range I could understand.
BUT THIS NERF is outrageous. And way to fucking sweep the attack range nerf, and the armor nerf, and the gigantic attack speed nerf under the rug until patch notes hit Rito, you stupid fucking chinese puppet.
Tristana's new kit is better than her old kit. Hands Down.
The ability to cast your E on towers makes it hard for the enemy team to tower farm/stay under tower low HP and that annoying DOT that always kept you from going in tower range is no longer there. Her E is pretty much a Zilean Bomb.
Her W also blows the E up, which adds TONS of dmg, not to mention if you jump in on 3+ people with the E active, you're getting a lot of extra dmg on everyone as it's AoE.
She is now strong early, mid and late game.
You'll be seeing her in LCS play a lot - same as kalista.
She had a good laning phase and great late game. Now she has mediocre at best lategame. Graves is going to have a better fucking lategame.
Trist AS gain currently second lowest in the game (only ahead of Jinx who has machine gun). From same as cait and vayne at 4.0 to under graves and even urgot now.....
Well I just got a penta with trist jungle soooooo...
rip little pirate princess. dead and gone
46% win rate. Yep, shes real good. /rolleyes
Voyboy, a very good Trist player, just went like 1-9 on her. She must be amazing now.
AP Tristana looks like she is gonna be stupid strong right now if you build Nashor's for the AS.
And people saying AP Trist is going to be good...wtf? AP Trist is good NOW, but they are nerfing ALL her AP ratios, how is she going to be good?
up. i want to hear from rito on all these changes nerfs they swept under the rug when they announced the Trist changes. they fooled everyone with the "but hey guys, look she is pretty now with skin changes!"
Don't be all doomsday when the rework just came out. Give it a week for someone to figure out the new best build on her before you declare her dead.
I mean, I see how the big hits to her base damages and base values could look like it's a big hit, but the reality is that Tristana has always been a late game champion anyways. Her new E actually does crazy damage at level 5 because of the damage amp from autoattacking and the 1.1 bonus AD ratio; an AD ratio is something she's never had that will greatly improve her infamously weak midgame.
That's not to say that she'll necessarily lose strength in the laning phase either. At level 9 maxing REQW, her E->AAx4->W combo does 360 (+2.0 AP) (+2.2 bonus AD) before resistances, and that's leaving out the damage of the four autoattacks, and this damage is all in an AoE. Catch their ADC+support next to each other and the Rocket Jump reset means you just got a double kill.
Did she take a lot of number hits? Yeah. But because of her sheer damage potential with Explosive Shot (which also works against towers, by the way), I think we should give the rework a week or so before we start with talk of her being dead.
Fair enough, but the attack speed nerf more than makes up for that extra damage on E. Then add in the range nerf (unmentioned by Riot til notes) the health nerf, the armor nerf, and the nerf to AP Trist and its RIP sweet princess.
I am just mad because AP Trist was fun, and now that's gone so...
How many games have you played as the new trist? I've played a ton on the PBE and there's a reason they've nerfed her 4 times in the last 2 weeks on the PBE.
RIP AP Tristana
"We are trying to keep AP Tristana intact" -Riot
guts all her ratios and delays her burst
As a trist player, I thought her PBE changes were a buff. But with the reversal of ult cooldown 60s at all ranks and especially the nerfed range in live, seems like a nerf from the previous patch. I think she is still really good, just no longer unique in having the longest lategame range without downtime as an adc (if you want range seems like caitlyn is the best bet now... I'd sacrifice an as steroid for trist's lategame range earlygame). As long as they keep her w reset, I'd probably still play her.
I think her new kit is a lot more fun now.
Just got done playing ADC Tristana in blind pick, and yeah, she's far from dead. Your new E will fucking NUKE people. They should have called it Overkill. She's a fuckton of fun now, and actually might be OP.
Good bye AP Tristana
