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riot do you really need to rework champions and remove the old ones? can't we play both?

MYSTlCFLOW··2 votes·1,983 views

I just feel like unless a champion had series issues there is no reason for riot to not just keep them in the game and call the new ones 2.0 for example old zac was never OP or under powered and nobody asked for a rework yet they removed what made him fun for me at least, his mobility and ability to carry games without having to solely rely on a team, he was an ap fighter who could build full ap. Old galio at some points had the lowest play rate in LOL, his ultimate relied on the enemy messing up or forcing galio to use flash, he had clear counters and was only picked for ap heavy comps or people who mained him, so why remove? Old urgot nobody was calling old urgot over powered. why not just leave them in the game and make an urgot 2.0 legit one of the least played champions who could be good in the right hands.

it's not like riot would have to add 2 stories to the champion for lore or anything, and this BIG indie company worth multi billion dollars can easily afford and easily know how to programme it so that when one of those champions is banned both of them are or just make 2 separate champs, everybody already knows the original champions ability's so why remove them unless they're a HUGE balancing issue?

it took years YEARS for riot to revert leblanc and rengar, I just want old zac back(galio too), I can understand that some rioters worked hard on the reworks and yeah "OH NEAT ABILITY'S" so they clearly don't want to revert them, but like come on, let me play MY FUCKING CHAMPIONS THAT I LOVE, they were never fucking broken. Riot honestly please, if you refuse to revert champions because the kits are nice why can't you just either make it so you can choose which of the 2 champions you want, with clear visual differences and when they're banned/picked both are banned and if one is picked the other can't be picked example zac,Zac quinn,Quinn or make them 2 seperate champions if they're different enough example urgot,Urgot (maybe yorick) Yorick

I just would really like to understand why this can't be done or better yet WON'T / HASN'T been done.

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Nenthos2 votes

Agreed man.

Old Galio, Eve, Poppy, Zac, Xin, Fizz, Taric, Yorick, Shen, Irelia, Maokai, and now most recently Aatrox... Probably the worst one yet.

While I think it's great when they enhanced the visual aesthetic (Poppy, Tristana) when they start heavily changing their lore and gameplay changes it ruins the game for me. If they want to make such huge changes why not make an entirely new champ? They all feel so clunky and less fun to play. Not all champs need to have 10 passives (Kled) and super high outplay skillshots (Yassuo). I cringe whenever I see a "rework" trailer now. Aatrox literally a Riven/Swain clone. Only reason im playing now is because urf is back on the pbe, once it's gone im uninstalling again. Missed having fun with this game.

MYSTlCFLOW2 votes

yeah perfect examples of where it would be great if you could have a scroll bar and choose one of the two, with clear visual differences so enemies would know the difference,

I agree with all these points but seeing Fizz threw me off lmaooo, took me 5 seconds, I think you're talking about his ultimate now having damage based on how far it travels

but yeah riot is a big enough company, if they want to update lore.. I don't exactly care but keep the damn champions an option if they aren't breaking the game, I hate how team reliant new zac is and I kind of miss seeing old fiora's ultimate dashing around like a Master Yi Q XD

"If they want to make such huge changes why not make an entirely new champ?" yeah except for the most part like Zac, fizz, xin, kind of irelia? Maokai champs like that have "most" or 2 ability's from their old kit so I can see why they wouldn't want a new entirely seperate champion, for example old galio flashes presses R then new galio R's onto old galio and taunts a second time? XD over powered just give us an option to choose from galio 1.0 or galio 2.0, and when one is banned so is the other

nyakasgoods1 votes

I can see where you're coming from with this, and in some cases it'd be really great to have the chance to play a former version of a champ who really didn't get very good changes (cough Shen) but you have to consider that there's a reason they made the changes.

Champions take resources to maintain and balance, and some champs just by existing completely fuck up the game in some cases (like old Poppy) unless they are kept ridiculously weak and there's no real reason to play them. Some champs had small but dedicated playerbases who learned them inside out despite them being awful, and then their inherently broken mechanics shone through and made the game hell for those playing against them.

MYSTlCFLOW1 votes

i did say in the first sentence "unless the champion had serious issues" my personal main selfish concern is zac, nobody asked for the rework, nobody complained about him, he had a fun engaging kit and now his winrate is anywhere from 44-46%. all because riot wanted a different kit (which is completely fine but let me play old zac)

yeah I acknowledge that sure there are champions we just don't want back, idk ap yi, old sion? (idk if old sion had problems or not) but.. I mean prime example is old urgot, maybe he was weak, maybe there was no reason to play him, with the same coin there is no reason to remove him from the mains that loved him, nobody was crying that he was too good xD people who didn't like old urgot just didn't play him

to be honest I played old shen quite a bit(had skins like frozen shen), Haven't played a SINGLE game of new shen xD i saw that he has a sword that moves places and said... nah

Patrozzo1 votes

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I just feel like unless a champion had series issues there is no reason for riot to not just keep them in the game and call the new ones 2.0 for example old zac was never OP or under powered and nobody asked for a rework yet they removed what made him fun for me at least, his mobility and ability to carry games without having to solely rely on a team, he was an ap fighter who could build full ap. Old galio at some points had the lowest play rate in LOL, his ultimate relied on the enemy messing up or forcing galio to use flash, he had clear counters and was only picked for ap heavy comps or people who mained him, so why remove? Old urgot nobody was calling old urgot over powered. why not just leave them in the game and make an urgot 2.0 legit one of the least played champions who could be good in the right hands.

it's not like riot would have to add 2 stories to the champion for lore or anything, and this BIG indie company worth multi billion dollars can easily afford and easily know how to programme it so that when one of those champions is banned both of them are or just make 2 separate champs, everybody already knows the original champions ability's so why remove them unless they're a HUGE balancing issue?

it took years YEARS for riot to revert leblanc and rengar, I just want old zac back(galio too), I can understand that some rioters worked hard on the reworks and yeah "OH NEAT ABILITY'S" so they clearly don't want to revert them, but like come on, let me play MY FUCKING CHAMPIONS THAT I LOVE, they were never fucking broken. Riot honestly please, if you refuse to revert champions because the kits are nice why can't you just either make it so you can choose which of the 2 champions you want, with clear visual differences and when they're banned/picked both are banned and if one is picked the other can't be picked example zac,Zac quinn,Quinn or make them 2 seperate champions if they're different enough example urgot,Urgot (maybe yorick) Yorick

I just would really like to understand why this can't be done or better yet WON'T / HASN'T been done.

UP i Want to play again the old Aatrox and the old Warwick and the old urgot...

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