It is a nightmare to balance the game around them. They make a lot of champion overpowered and a lot of them completely useless. Runes add too much damage.
My solution would be to bring back the old runes (and making them free, give people back their event runes) and old masteries (the one without keystones; 2015 ones).
RUNES HAVE CAUSED TOO MANY PROBLEMS AND ARE CAUSING THEM, so they should be removed.
Salvor Hardın2 votesThat's not the solution, of course you have to work on these new runes, but the previous model also had problems.
Naranjo11 votes[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mscEkVAG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-14T12:05:08.436+0000)
That's not the solution, of course you have to work on these new runes, but the previous model also had problems.
Mainly the fact that you had to waste around 20k IP on them
Salvor Hardın2 votesThey weren't "friendly" to newcomers either, and in the end we all used the same pages, the current Rune system is better, but as Riot said, they have to work on it.
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They weren't "friendly" to newcomers either, and in the end we all used the same pages, the current Rune system is better, but as Riot said, they have to work on it.
No we didn't. In low elos where people bandwagoned behind mobifire guides everyone had the same page. When you watched high elo streamers they often times had 15-20 pages. I had 13 pages for riven alone. And 3 or 4 for Annie. (like the only two champs I played in ranked last year) and I used all of them depending on the game and what my matchup was.
They were only unfriendly to newcomers because of the cost associated with them. If they were simply free with starter rune pages then it would be fine. (the starter rune pages could be the mobifire guides ones too)
AnAggravatedPimp1 votes[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mscEkVAG,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-14T13:40:58.477+0000)
No we didn't. In low elos where people bandwagoned behind mobifire guides everyone had the same page. When you watched high elo streamers they often times had 15-20 pages. I had 13 pages for riven alone. And 3 or 4 for Annie. (like the only two champs I played in ranked last year) and I used all of them depending on the game and what my matchup was.
Having 20 rune pages doesn't mean you needed 20 rune pages. Also Riven can be an outlier because of how you needed to hav a specialized page for her depending on the match up but most Riven pages that I saw, from low to high elo, from mobafire to probuilds, all had the same or similar standard set up, AD reds, Armor yellows, AD Quints, flat and per level CDR blues. Most variation I saw was sacrificing early CDR for MR or swaping AD Quints for Lifesteal.
That said, a vast majority of players ran the same or similar rune pages. You really only ever needed two pages, one for AD and one for AP, and anymore came if you wanted to jungle or had a champion that needed a more unique rune build. Beyond that, most people didn't need more pages and only had them because they had IP piled up and needed to sink it into something.
Automated Riven1 votesHaving 20 rune pages doesn't mean you needed 20 rune pages. Also Riven can be an outlier because of how you needed to hav a specialized page for her depending on the match up but most Riven pages that I saw, from low to high elo, from mobafire to probuilds, all had the same or similar standard set up, AD reds, Armor yellows, AD Quints, flat and per level CDR blues. Most variation I saw was sacrificing early CDR for MR or swaping AD Quints for Lifesteal.
That said, a vast majority of players ran the same or similar rune pages. You really only ever needed two pages, one for AD and one for AP, and anymore came if you wanted to jungle or had a champion that needed a more unique rune build. Beyond that, most people didn't need more pages and only had them because they had IP piled up and needed to sink it into something.
Riven also had a choice between flat and scaling cdr depending on the resists she wanted. I dont know any riven who ran lifesteal. However armor pen or flat ad or attack speed was a choice you had to make.
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That's not the solution, of course you have to work on these new runes, but the previous model also had problems.
Could you perhaps elaborate on these problems?