Here you go. Have zoe.
To put in perspective:
Max range nidalee spear was 560 + 1.6 ap
Zoe max range is 400 + 1.6 ap.
Except its better, because its got a really low cooldown, travels super fucking quickly and has splash damage so it can clear minion waves.
Why on earth did you think I wanted this cancer back?
Quepha11 votesDon't forget that Zoe has hard cc to land a max range Q and she doesn't actually have to be that far away from you to get a max range Q because of the bounce mechanic.
If any other designer had proposed this, they would have been shot down by other team members reminding them that playing against the old AP Nidalee was zero fun and hard to balance. But this was proposed by CertainlyT so it's OK for everyone not playing his champion to have zero fun.
Śhunpo8 votesGive me my pre-rework Kat back while you're at it.
Tèrminus4 votesZoe's Q takes a bit more finesse than just "stand a mile away and hit Q in the direction of your target". It's less fire-and-forget than Nid spears.
As well, her E has fairly low range for a skillshot (when not fired through a wall) and can be blocked by minions.
She's also rather squishy and has no real escape unless she has a Flash shard.
At least, that's at a first glance.
Kurieko1 votesJust because it takes a slight amount of better input doesnt mean its harder to hit. Being able to chunk people that hard is strictly overpowered and WHY nidalee was reworked. Her Q is strictly better in every regard, if nidalee players had the option to take this Q over the old Q at the time people would have flipped her shit.
TheFallenShaw4 votessure and Ill take Pre reworked 
just for laughs add in old 
Azir was strongest before all his nerfs, and kit removals Ryze bc i feel like the old ones were stronger, Skarner bc again the old one actually seems more viable now. Shaco he simply was stronger, Eve as well. Her early game lacks real consistant damage in the form of actual damage and dps. she gets 3 shots and she's out. still as squishy as before. Before atleast she had her ad ratio's and stealth insta.
While we at it I'll take trydamere's old 8 second ult back instead of the new 5 we been haveing to use.
and I'll take thresh back from before they nerfed him so he couldnt be adc thresh by nerfing his AS gains from items.
Oh and last but not least 
and while your at it I want lantern a jug item again and Sword of the Occult back in the shop, no fair mages still got their snowball items where is mine?
TheFallenShaw1 votesBut if you wanna beat the new champion, I have a strat that works 100% of the time. And there is no counter play the player can ever do to stop me.
HAS BEEN BANNED!
LordGeovanni1 votesold 
(not devourer) old 
I can play 
and 
again
Colton1474 votesPre-rework Yorick.
z63XnLCMwX4 votesHail the pre-worked 
z63XnLCMwX2 votesI played old nid and enjoyed her spear. I enjoy bringing this mechanic back.
Linna Excel1 votesAs much as people hated it, I think I liked the older nidalee better. Yes the spears were an issue against a better nidalee, but the new one just isn't any fun and can only jungle now.
Divine Thighs2 votesAnyone miss pre-rework 
?
Dr Pheep1 votesYes, and also when Shen's ult gave him a shield too as he channeled, but only while I was playing him of course.
Athenes Lulu2 votesnah dude thats her only damage ability :^)
Valderis Vandala1 votesYou forgot that it can also alter its trajectory mid/end-flight.
Sire Hippington1 votesyea, just ignore the part where she has to cast it into the other direction first and then need to cover some ground to indirectly cast it on maxrange. Not saying it can't be frustraiting, but nidas old spears were much easier to use and spam on high range
Quepha3 votesZoe has long duration hard cc. Nidalee had no cc at all.
JackMcSnipeyz3 votesNidalee has 2 kits tons of mobility and a heal, zoe has 1 reliable damage ability.
Quepha2 votesWe know what it’s like when Nidalee is balanced around exactly one damage ability while the rest of her kit sucks.
It’s not a fun time.
LordGeovanni1 votesZoe has 4 reliable damage abilities e is more reliable than q and q is pretty reliable she has passive which is a high damage ability and w high damage between the last two undodgeable they just dont compare to q because q is both long range and a 1 shot most of the game
Kurieko3 votesThat doesnt mean its balanced. I can have a skillshot that does 999999999 damage but is only a pixel wide and moves at one movespeed. Doesn't matter. Still broken.
z63XnLCMwX1 votesThat doesnt mean its balanced. I can have a skillshot that does 9999991b999 damage but is only a pixel wide and moves at one movespeed. Doesn't matter. Still broken.
Bad example. No one would see a 1 pixel wide skill shot and at 1 movement speed, it would stay on the map like a teemo mushroom. Laying a 1 billion damage mushroom is in no sense balanced.
Kurieko2 votesOr you would stun them and use it on top of them. The point is no matter how difficult something is to hit, if it has too high of a reward its not balanced.
z63XnLCMwX1 votesOr you would stun them and use it on top of them. The point is no matter how difficult something is to hit, if it has too high of a reward its not balanced.
Meanwhile 
presses R or 
with Q.
Kurieko2 votesRequires a channel and needs stacks which you can deny.
Keep trying.
z63XnLCMwX1 votesRequires a channel and needs stacks which you can deny.
Keep trying.
Implying it's hard to deny Nasus stacks. Keep trying.
Kurieko1 votesIts not hard, these are methods of counterplay. 'dodge the skillshot' is not counterplay.
z63XnLCMwX2 votesIts not hard, these are methods of counterplay. 'dodge the skillshot' is not counterplay.
So tell me how do you counterplay ZIggs if not for dodging skillshots.
Kurieko2 votesThis is a terrible comparison, Q isn't even a skillshot. Its a targeted delayed AOE. You can stand next to him and if he throws it over you it misses.
z63XnLCMwX2 votesThis is a terrible comparison, Q isn't even a skillshot. Its a targeted delayed AOE. You can stand next to him and if he throws it over you it misses.
Feel free to be willfully blind. I'm out.
LordGeovanni1 votesThe answer is its not balnced Malz has a damage reduction sheild that stops cc and nasus has lifesteal and pretty shit defense early but he debuffs you while he builds defense and the straw that broke the camels back is they cut his already low cooldown q in half during his form that was already near impossible to deal with before they gave him that
LordGeovanni1 votescan we stop using busted shit to justify you wanting busted shit (the entire mage arugement on boards that they dont do enough damage)
Kurieko1 votes???
Who said I wanted busted shit
LordGeovanni1 votesi see your point now but the boards as a whole do this alot with supposed to be squishy (aka you supposed to get instagibed but small amounts of damage if they got large amouts even it shouldnt really matter for you) and ranged
i cant move wtf1 votesHer Q is whatever but the super long range hard CC with a huge hitbox that unfolds to essentially a soraka E except better since the stun happens in .3 seconds instead of 1.5 is what I think needs tuning. I'm pretty sure the only way you won't get huge value whenever you use it is if you shoot it 180 degrees in the opposite direction of the enemy.
Weiss Guertena1 votesZoe's Q comes out of nowhere, is completely invisible like 80% of the time and has hitbox the size of Africa?
Zoe may be a bit busted when played properly, but she is nowhere near old Nidalee levels. Her Q has much less effective range - 800, jumping to 1375 with ultimate vs Nidalee's 1500. It's also highly telegraphed seeing as she has to cast it behind herself first, and as such is laughably easy to dodge unless she hits E first.
Old Nidalee could literally be played as a brainless Q bot, only using Cougar to escape if by some magic someone managed to reach her. Hell, even in LCS you could see blind spear chucking, due to how zero risk insane reward of a play it was. I dare you to try and play Zoe that way and see what happens.
Kurieko1 votesZoe Q does come out of nowhere, is the size of africa, and has such a slim graphic that moves so fast it IS difficult to see, at least for me. Especially the coloring.
She doesnt have to wait the full second, she can rebound it immediately.
Because of bubble and the fact she can bounce it behind her, she can get the full damage while in melee range. Nidalee cannot.
You're gonna see blind Q throwing in LCS as well if she gets picked. But probably mostly bubble collapses because of the stupid damage attached to it and the massive range if behind a wall.
Weiss Guertena1 votesHer Q hitbox is pretty close to misslie size, to which I can attest after narrowly missing far too many missiles. For graphics I agree that there might be a clarity issue in chaos of teamfights where spells fly left and right so it - but at least it's not fucking invisible.
Yes, she can rebound it immediately - but the missile has travel time. If you see her cast it behind her, it takes time to reach its range, and even more time to connect seeing as it has to fly at least double that distance again. Same with surprise portal casts; there is a window in between where you see her and the impact so you can react accordingly.
Bubble's range is also not that impressive unless cast over walls (tho the trap AOE might be a bit too forgiving) - a thing you can deny her with vision and proper positioning. And even if it hits, there is still counterplay; if you have mobility you can blink out of Q range before you are slept, have a tank block it for you (won't take near as much damage due to not eating bubble true damage proc) or cleanse it. If she's also dumb enough to cast R in plain sight have someone send a CC skillshot to her return portal and enjoy your free gold.
I fail to see how bubble collapses in LCS are different than any other hard CC; it's a coordinated environment and any CC on a vulnerable target can and will get swiftly followed to a devastating effect. But random Q chucking isn't happening in that environment; at those levels of play vision and positioning will most certainly be adapted to not give her angles for super long range combos over walls and unlike super-safe Nidalee - who was literally the most braindead zero-risk pick in history of League (even AP Yi, for how cancerous he was, had to take some risk to secure resets) - Zoe has much less effective range, no reliable escapes and innate sustain.
Kurieko1 votesBecause having a massive, possibly out of sight range with a damage bonus on the first attack and long duration makes it one of the best collapsable CC's in the game
Weiss Guertena1 votesMassive, possibly out of sight range can be played around. Is Zoe suspiciously absent from enemy team as potshots are traded and fight becomes imminent? You can bet your life she's behind a nearby wall trying to get a good angle for best E - which can be avoided by proper vision and positioning. Without walls, it's range is nothing to write home about.
And nature of sleep CC, along with delay, actually makes it lag behind stuns or roots as a collapsible CC, as it's broken on damage. As a squishy I fear a, say, Morgana Q far more than Zoe's E - 3 seconds in place all but guarantee my death while something delayed and broken by damage gives me a chance to escape.
Succubús GF1 votesGimme back my lb
MrHaZeYo1 votesI have said this a lot. I'll glady play against old Nid if I can also play her again lol.