No adc should be able to jungle, period.

Kurieko·Nov 16, 2017·5 votes·1,212 views

ADC's are supposed to have a weak early game

but here i am, j4 getting outcleared and outsustained to a fucking tristana jungle

no riot, adc's do not have a weak early game

They should get their ass pounded by the buffs so hard that they have to recall every single time they clear a camp

I just watched a tristana with nothing but clear a raptor camp at full fucking health while as jarvan ill be at 75%, this is retarded.

No adc's in jungle. At all. Period. Tired of ADC's doing everyone elses job better and outscaling while still having a better early game

30 Comments

mosaickleNov 16, 20177 votes

ADC is a role, not a position. It's like how fighters/bruisers are different from the term "top laners" or "junglers". It's like how assassins and mages are different from the term "mid laners".

And by that logic you don't like Kindred do you...

KuriekoNov 16, 20173 votes

Kindred is an exception, she was designed to be a jungler so she can stay.

AlienPrimateNov 17, 20171 votes

So I'm breaking the rules by playing Taric in top and jungle? Sounds legit.

DariusDemiurgeNov 16, 20173 votes

Bring back purple smite. Let everyone jungle. Also you should have invaded and gave that little floozy your lance.

KuriekoNov 16, 20172 votes

No, fuck that. Anyone with a weak early game thats able to jungle just bypasses their point of counterplay entirely. Jungle = safe early game + guaranteed gold and exp

mosaickleNov 17, 20171 votes

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Jungle = safe early game + guaranteed gold and exp

[sg-ahri-1]

SukishooNov 16, 20173 votes

ADC's are supposed to have a weak early game

No, no they are not.

KuriekoNov 16, 20175 votes

Ok so they should have a godly early game and be able to right click everone on the enemy team in the span of a second.

You must be an adc main.

SukishooNov 16, 20172 votes

Oh yes, cause my 118,434 M7 Morg mastery totally says ADC on it.

However, I do play ADCs and they are not all weak in the earily game, only some of them.

KuriekoNov 16, 20173 votes

Just because they dont doesnt mean they arent supposed to

AterpaterNov 16, 20172 votes

Actually they do. That's what a "carry" means since the days of DotA 1, and ADC stands for Attack Damage Carry: I even googled the exact definition to you: "A carry is a hero who is weak in the early game but extremely strong in the late game, especially with high-cost items. The other players have to "carry" this hero through the early game so that he can farm up to be successful, and in turn he will "carry" the rest of his team through the late game by melting enemy heroes. One thing to note is that carries generally remain fragile for the entire game, so you still can't be too aggressive even if you do get farmed up. The general strategy of any team fight revolves around keeping your carry alive and killing the opposing carry. Carries are the primary source of steady DPS (as opposed to burst damage) on your team." This is how it should work...

hi ìm grootNov 16, 20173 votes

Hmm, I feel like you're missing the difference between those two completely different types of champs. Its not that one is suppose to be inherently weaker or stronger early, its the roles that they fill for the team.

KuriekoNov 16, 20173 votes

No, carries are supposed to have a weak early game to make up for the extremely strong late game. Supposedly. But they dont right now because they arent balanced. Literally dictionary definition of carry.

hi ìm grootNov 16, 20173 votes

Every role except support is considered a carry. You're thinking of a hypercarry, and extremely misunderstanding what one is.

KuriekoNov 16, 20172 votes

Youre being overly specific over semantics that dont even matter. You know exactly what im talking about.

hi ìm grootNov 17, 20171 votes

Thats not at all what im doing, im pointing out that you dont understand the differences in the roles you are complaining about. You are whining that a trist jungle out jungled you as if you should be able to do it better than a tristana without any effort. You say things like an adc shouldnt be capable of jungling and should have to back after every camp. Why? Who are you to decide this? If you think all junglers are going to drop their j4's and warwicks for adc's, I think you'd be suprised at the results. One is not inherently better or worse than the other, they are for entirely different roles. You are missing this and being mad about a situation you do not understand because you dont want to think about how you could have done better, you just want a scape goat to point the finger at.

mosaickleNov 16, 20171 votes

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No, carries are supposed to have a weak early game to make up for the extremely strong late game.

Draven.

Dokueki KenshinNov 16, 20171 votes

And Ezreal. He also is made to have a strong early game with the trade off of falling off late. Not to mention that, at least against Ezreal jungle, he is incredibly weak to counter jungling.

ZardelNov 16, 20172 votes

The biggest issue if anything to account for is the fact that they changed the hunter's machete where it gives attack speed on it when attacking monsters which is why you will see more and more champions not suited for the jungle role being in there where they can clear it faster than the normal junglers and causing more of a change possibly for the worse to happen if riot doesn't step up and do anything about it which they will after they see what's what in the next few weeks and where champions are being played.

KindredAndWolfNov 16, 20172 votes

First off I think any champ should be able to jungle if they want to. Mixing things up and doing the unexpected is good.

Thing is Tristana is a shit jungler much like new Eve is kinda shit, they both have ATROCIOUS early games and can't duel anyone. If it was me and I see Trist is going jungle in the load screen, there is no way on god green earth I wouldn't have invaded her at one of her buffs/ camps. You see trist in the jungle, run hard for one of their camps and ward it so you can know where she is going to start so you can meet her ass at one of her buffs. If she wasted her escape on clearing a camp then she is most certainly dead without flash. If you manage to kill her early it's gonna be harder for her to keep up gank pressure and without it their team with be sorely disadvantaged. There is ALWAYS a draw to picking adc's in the jungle, like having no cc for the team fights and no one to help peel for their actual adc and carries. A decent front line with good cc will fuck any adc. People just hate playing tanks thats all.

ShaftyMegeeNov 17, 20171 votes

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First off I think any champ should be able to jungle if they want to. Mixing things up and doing the unexpected is good.

Thing is Tristana is a shit jungler much like new Eve is kinda shit, they both have ATROCIOUS early games and can't duel anyone. If it was me and I see Trist is going jungle in the load screen, there is no way on god green earth I wouldn't have invaded her at one of her buffs/ camps. You see trist in the jungle, run hard for one of their camps and ward it so you can know where she is going to start so you can meet her ass at one of her buffs. If she wasted her escape on clearing a camp then she is most certainly dead without flash. If you manage to kill her early it's gonna be harder for her to keep up gank pressure and without it their team with be sorely disadvantaged. There is ALWAYS a draw to picking adc's in the jungle, like having no cc for the team fights and no one to help peel for their actual adc and carries. A decent front line with good cc will fuck any adc. People just hate playing tanks thats all.

^ this

Linna ExcelNov 16, 20171 votes

So what you are saying is that Kindred needs a rework?

KuriekoNov 16, 20174 votes

That too. She was designed to be a jungler, so she should be a jungler.

ShaftyMegeeNov 17, 20171 votes

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That too. She was designed to be a jungler, so she should be a jungler.

So champions should only be used in what their primary roles are?

PennsNov 16, 20175 votes

Kindred was supposed to be one, when Ezreal (and Tristana) suddenly start being top tier junglers.. there might be something wrong xd

Linna ExcelNov 16, 20171 votes

I agree that jungle Ez is currently broken, but he's been an off-meta jungle pick now for a few seasons.

As for tristana, this is the first I've heard of her being a jungler.

PennsNov 16, 20172 votes

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Tristana quite a lot of red smites there

Adcs opie :(

Paladin 0f LifeNov 16, 20171 votes

either way junglers get less gold mid to late game unless team is onboard with feeding gold to jung. and once they blow abilities on camp you can just kill them outright at their camps. vision wins this matchup sorry but your pount is mute. twitch jungle only works if your jung sucks and doesnt ward twitchs jungle

KuriekoNov 16, 20172 votes

Ok well i literally never want to hear a complaint from you then about Ezreal, Tristana, or any other 'marksman' jungler.

You guys can have the game devolve into marksman into every role, I dont want that.

MC WhomperNov 16, 20171 votes

As someone who's been playing Tristana jungle for several years now, it's good to see that people are finally getting upset about it that aren't on my team. [slayer-jinx-wink]