Riot, if you're gonna balance the game around NA LCS...

SquirrellyOtter·3/3/2015, 12:43:49 AM·15 votes·2,384 views

At least be more subtle and consistent about it?

1/29: Patch 5.2: No mention of Kassadin. 2/10: Patch 5.3: Love tap to Kassadin while joking "who'd have thought an ultra-mobile assassin would have game health difficulties." 2/15: Shiphtur of Dignatas goes 10/1/9 on Kassadin. 2/24: Patch 5.4: Kassadin nerf. 3/02: Meddler: "We'll be buffing Kassadin."

2/21: LemonNation of Cloud9 plays Veigar for the first time in NA LCS for instant AOE stunlocks. 2/22: LoL Esports releases article featuring said play. 2/24: Patch 5.4 delays (nerfs) Veigar's stun.

Additionally, Jarven IV, Gnar, post-DFG-rework Ahri, Janna and Kalista have all received nerfs since their debuts in the NA LCS. Some nerfs matter (Gnar is no longer a constant pick-or-ban), others not so much (Ahri and Janna still perform very well and Kalista still draws bans). We're also looking at Nidalee nerfs on the PBE since she was given a jungling capacity in 5.2 (resulting in 5 wins on 7 picks for a 71.4% winrate and drawing 16 bans, probably all very recent stats since the tournament realm started playing on the buffed Nidalee).

Meanwhile, Zed [referred to as "the best/a good example of a healthy assassin" in both Patch 5.1 and 5.2] won all three of the games he was picked in NA LCS this past weekend, pretty much single-handedly dictating all three games and was the keystone/focus of the epic CLG-Liquid game. Zed now has an 85.7% winrate with 12 wins over 14 picks over the 60 NA LCS games so far and commanding 12 bans, and is second only to Lissandra in all categories (Lissandra has 14 wins from 15 picks for a 93.3% winrate, drawing 43 bans for a 70% game participation in picks/bans). (There are a handful of champs that do have 100% winrates but only because they were played only one or two games and won: my focus is both on the winrate and number of appearances of the champ.) Source. Neither champ has received a significant nerf.

What gives?

16 Comments

qetzel3/3/2015, 1:27:58 AM6 votes

You forgot to mention that those changes aren't made overnight. It takes time. It is entirely coincidental.

The Kassadin thing on 2/10 came with a warning that more nerfs would come.

You also seem to have made a mistake. If Riot balances around the LCS, why hasn't Zed been nerfed? And before you say "#LCSBIGPLAYS", why was Kassadin nerfed, why was Talon nerfed, why was Yasuo nerfed, why was Fizz nerfed (all very "big plays" champions) and why, for the love of God, hasn't Morgana been nerfed (not a big play champion).

AHeroNamedHawke3/3/2015, 12:56:17 AM5 votes

You state that Kass and Veigar were nerfed for NA LCS, and then follow that up with the stats for Zed and Liss who were love tapped

Which is it?

Sailor Mint3/3/2015, 12:55:22 AM4 votes

KR: 50% Win Rate / 54.8% Pick/Ban NA: 56.3% Win Rate / 66.7% Pick/Ban EU: 75% Win Rate / 65% Pick/Ban

Similar stats in LPL, but too lazy to manually compile them. Support Veigar is a Chinese thing that spilled over to KR and western scenes.

Keevalroy3/3/2015, 5:42:57 AM4 votes

I feel like a broken record, but I don't care - Ahri was probably one of the healthiest assassins in the game because she payed for the mobility she had by burning an ult to engage or run, and her damage was limited unless you could land a charm. Her kit rewarded you for being patient and waiting for an opening to go in, and punished you for senselessly spamming your spells because of her atrocious early game costs. To compensate for DFG's removal, they killed her assassin role completely because apparently that was unhealthy, and turned her into a worse version of the kite mage that got her nerfed the first time. THEN she was unhealthy, and was quickly nerfed for it because they now had a reason to do so.

Meanwhile, Zed gets to sit on a golden throne built on foundations of hypocrisy and bullshit from the devs and balance team with only minor taps that would still enable him to make his flashy plays around the map and allow him to keep his manaless, ranged, waveclearing harass without any form of punishment for the mobility he brings with it.

Sure, champions like Ahri were the problematic assassins, not the manaless, waveclearing, dash spamming, mobility-creeped, safe-harassers like Zed. Nope, "he's what we call a healthy assassin." K, thanks for the input, Riot; just making sure I understood that correctly...

It Is I Emoto3/3/2015, 11:12:10 AM2 votes

No wonder why kassadin got nerfed, he stole the spotlight of lee with his 2/6 score lmao