Baron is broken and needs to be tuned down

concert clown·Aug 21, 2018·2 votes·939 views

Seriously, whoever gets this thing will win the game if played correctly. It's actually the highest value objective in the game right behind taking 3 inhibitors and the nexus.

However, the biggest issue with this objective is that it's extremely easy to take. Seriously send a tank and an ADC there and they can take it. Killed the enemy jungler? Well, guess what? The baron is fucking free, literally have fun winning the rest of the game at 25 minutes.

It's honestly no wonder towers are so weak and snowballing is busted when you get these stupid buffed minions at 22~ minutes that take 4 tower shots to kill and deal about as much damage to the tower as a tank AA to it.

I know we're not changing the jungle next season, but honestly, they need to look into baron. That shit is the most broken objective in the game.

7 Comments

BurakkuRozu9Aug 21, 20181 votes

"If played correctly"

concert clownAug 21, 20181 votes

Most people can play it correctly enough to gain a ton of tempo with it and win. If you can look at this image and think that's fair I literally can't imagine you understand how the game works.

https://i.gyazo.com/2ceee17bb11d182f437a67b598565a39.png

BurakkuRozu9Aug 21, 20181 votes

So what's the time distribution after first baron? That stat chart tells me squat. There's also the fact that the game itself is in a snowball meta, which doesn't have anything to do with baron. They buffed baron so that games where you are getting stomped or stomping will help you close. You don't seem to understand how the game works. If you get shit on early and mid game, you don't deserve to have an easy way to come back. It's like running a race and asking the person in first to slow down.

concert clownAug 21, 20181 votes

Yeah, I wish I had stats on the time distribution, but they don't show that anywhere. If I were to estimate based on my own games I'd say around 23-25 minutes is when first baron is taken on average.

If their whole idea of buffing baron to make it a very broken objective was to make the game snowbally then they did a good job.

I mean I honestly can't tell what your post is about, because you claim the snowball meta has nothing to do with baron. When Baron is probably the main reason games are snowballing so quickly.

My problem is that if you get shit on mid and early you literally have no way to comeback. They'll just take baron and tempo their way through the rest of the game. There isn't even a hard way to comeback besides getting lucky and the enemy team throwing.

BurakkuRozu9Aug 22, 20181 votes

Games aren't snowballing because of baron. Games are closing because of baron. People snowball during laning phase, and close the game with baron, hence baron does not affect snowball.
That's the whole point. If you get shit on early and mid, you shouldn't be able to come back. If you and your team are playing bad, you shouldn't get a free way to come back. That's how anything competitive works.
You can alway comeback with miracle steals if your jungler is not behind, unless the jungler has 3 losing lanes.

The thing is, you're expecting there to be an easy way to win the game if you are doing poorly. No there isn't. If the game is over, /ff go next if you don't want to waste time. Our low elo NA mentality is that there is always a way back, even though they can play as poorly as possible.

Automated RivenAug 22, 20181 votes

I agree with your premise. However Baron has always had an 80% winrate for the team who got it first.

Inkling CommandoAug 21, 20181 votes

a tank and an ADC? bitch please. i saw a yi solo Baron before. forgot his build but he solo'd the shit out of it. plus if you are smart you can steal Baron from them if you have a good ult (i.e. MF or Dinger Rockets). plus Baron respawns every so often so it isn't always an auto win. recently my Team got Elder Dragon while the Enemy had Baron. i see no excuse for Baron being broken. plus Baron is a big objective so you need a big reward to go with it.