what if we increased syndra's e base damage by 30 for each level put into it

Bleediss·Jun 16, 2015·1 votes·708 views

and also give it a scaling power from 40% to 55%

but also increase the mana cost from 50 to 50/60/70/75/80

and cooldown from 18 / 16.5 / 15 / 13.5 / 12 to 18/17/16/15/14

thoughts?

this will reward good syndra players for landing their e which brings more skill to her kit and really punish people who miss constantly as they'll be missing out on damage from their combo

additionally her Q's first level base damage would be increased from 50 to 60, just so it's a little more than an autoattack

46 Comments

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

i forgot to note we could nerf her ult by some to make it where landing E is crucial to actually kill someone rather than just spam spheres then go burst them

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

You let an immobile mage get into Ignite range.

Nah, not gonna get punished.

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-06-16T23:33:23.110+0000)

You let an immobile mage get into Ignite range.

Nah, not gonna get punished.

what?

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

You propose to nerf the only reliable ability Syndra has in the season that is ruled by people with 10 different dashes and 5 shields while damage buffing an ability that doesn't freaking work half of the time.

Um... please go away and don't come back.

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-16T23:44:32.152+0000)

You propose to nerf the only reliable ability Syndra has in the season that is ruled by people with 10 different dashes and 5 shields while damage buffing an ability that doesn't freaking work half of the time.

Um... please go away and don't come back.

yes and that's why i said fix that first or else this buff would be pointless

and you seriously think the spamming spheres and ult someone to kill them is a good idea?

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

Are you seriously thinking letting a squishy bursty mage with no mobility and defensive spells, this close to your carry is a good idea?

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-16T23:58:37.529+0000)

Are you seriously thinking letting a squishy bursty mage with no mobility and defensive spells, this close to your carry is a good idea?

are you talking about the E range

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

You assume you can just "spam Qs then press R". So E and W aren't a factor here. Have a good day.

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

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You assume you can just "spam Qs then press R". So E and W aren't a factor here. Have a good day.

W was a small factor for a 6 to 7 ult combo

E pre-nerf actually didn't have to land to kill someone

the thing is E needs to be a factor to make syndra fair game and not returned to the state of "hurr durr spam Q and 100-0 you."

and the issue now is that she's so weak early on people can go pressure that, make it where she can't reach the items she needs, and then 100-0'ing or even almost killing them is a tough place to get to as you're already behind which means she can't use her ult to full potential until much later on

i want her to have a fair chance early on and not be so shitty she struggles with ever trading people

but i don't want her to be so strong that she facerolls over people like before

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Are you serious, mate?

You need maxed CDR and use W to refresh an orb to get a 7 sphere ult.

NemeBroJun 16, 20151 votes

{quoted}

i forgot to note we could nerf her ult by some to make it where landing E is crucial to actually kill someone rather than just spam spheres then go burst them

Syndra doesn't need any nerfs at all, lol.

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

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Syndra doesn't need any nerfs at all, lol.

no i meant that with this buff her ult would be nerfed so that it all balances out and makes her more skillful to use as let's be honest

her previous design of spam spheres and 100-0 regardless of landing the stun

is ridiculous

but if you make it where E must hit to kill someone early on, then that adds more counterplaying against her and also more skill to her kit so she's not super easy for what she's capable of

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

"Syndra" and "super easy" in the same sentence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-16T23:59:57.309+0000)

"Syndra" and "super easy" in the same sentence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

i played syndra pre-nerf

all i had to do was spam spheres then ult the person with ignite

you really think that's hard?

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Once in the last season I played full AP Elise mid in Bronze 5. Went 10/0/5. I bet Elise must be freelo, unkillable atrocity.

Nvm, she's so bad only hardcore masochists play her and even then she barely has 40% winrate.

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

oh and also fix her E bug or else this would be pointless

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

C'mon, she already suffers from high mana costs mid-game. You want to bump another of her abilities into 80+ mana range?

If somebody is "constantly missing" E they are... ya, know... DEAD.

I agree with one thing. Buffing base damage of Q. I mean, I can't think of a single ability with so low base damage that isn't some kind of an AA modifier, like Nasus' Q. Compare that to, say, Galio or Ziggs who deal 80 and 75 damage on level 1 of their "bread'n'butter" abilities.

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-16T23:41:23.220+0000)

C'mon, she already suffers from high mana costs mid-game. You want to bump another of her abilities into 80+ mana range?

If somebody is "constantly missing" E they are... ya, know... DEAD.

I agree with one thing. Buffing base damage of Q. I mean, I can't think of a single ability with so low base damage that isn't some kind of an AA modifier, like Nasus' Q. Compare that to, say, Galio or Ziggs who deal 80 and 75 damage on level 1 of their "bread'n'butter" abilities.

item 3174 can solve her mana problem easily actually

as leblanc has super high mana costs

yet is still able to deal with them by getting athene's or morello's

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

Maybe because LB... I dunno... has no mana cost on her ult? On average that's 1/3 of her combo not using mana.

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

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Maybe because LB... I dunno... has no mana cost on her ult? On average that's 1/3 of her combo not using mana.

we're talking about mid-game right

because 290 is how much mana it'll cost in one full rotation of syndra's abilities including her ult

and 270 is how much mana it'll cost in one full rotation of leblanc's abilities

this is assuming syndra maxes q first then e, and leblanc maxing q first then w, which is typically what you want to do

i really don't see your 'no mana cost on ult,' point here if leblanc only has 20 mana less she has to use in one full rotation

and the only way that the no mana cost is going to matter is late game as syndra's w costs a high 100 mana, but we aren't talking about late game though, we're talking about mid-game and how they're so high when athene's/morello's can fix that issue as leblanc has it as i've proven by bringing up the just 20 mana cost less on a full rotation which still hurts her, until she gets a mana item, like the two i mentioned

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

I don't know what sane person would max Q first on LB, but that's no the point.

I also have no idea why people max E second on Syndra, because W deals more damage and has lower cooldown.

And you've proven nothing.

Penguin EclipseJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-17T00:08:05.249+0000)

I don't know what sane person would max Q first on LB, but that's no the point.

Anyone who actually is sane.

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Over 76% of people have W maxed by level 9.

Define sanity.

Penguin EclipseJun 17, 20151 votes

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Over 76% of people have W maxed by level 9.

Define sanity.

Statistics don't mean much when the vast majority of people playing her only play her because they think she is broken and therefore freelo. They don't actually know how to play her well. Even in high elo people do this. Maxing Q first is superior in every way except waveclear.

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

You see, when you check statistics of Plat+ people playing LeBlanc you will notice maxing W first has also the highest winrate. For some unfathomable reason, I presume.

And when you don't need waveclear? I've never seen LeBlanc playing aganist Shen, Poppy or Nasus. The closest would be AP Sona, but then when have you seen Sona mid?

The reason LB was shunned and deemed trollpick was because she was entirely devoid of any fallback pattern when snowball didn't work. To deal damage you had to max Q, but that made it impossible to not be stuck under your tower for the rest of the game. Now you waltz in and tell me only sane people would max Q and play Season 3 LeBlanc. Holy cow, dude.

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-17T00:08:05.249+0000)

I don't know what sane person would max Q first on LB, but that's no the point.

I also have no idea why people max E second on Syndra, because W deals more damage and has lower cooldown.

And you've proven nothing.

you max E second because it allows you to stun people more often for setups of an ult

you max Q first on leblanc because it provides the most damage and is a good harass tool

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

You should leave your cave. We have 2015 right now. Nobody's been maxing Q on LB since 2013.

http://i.imgur.com/dIaOlkg.png

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=0002000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-17T11:37:06.908+0000)

You should leave your cave. We have 2015 right now. Nobody's been maxing Q on LB since 2013.

http://i.imgur.com/dIaOlkg.png

you should quote better and offer a better discussion than just insults and a shitty attitude

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Why would I quote? There's a "reply" button for a reason.

101100111000Jun 16, 20151 votes

What if we actually fixed all of syndra's bugs first?

BleedissJun 16, 20151 votes

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What if we actually fixed all of syndra's bugs first?

i already mentioned that

unless there's a bug other than E not stunning

101100111000Jun 16, 20151 votes

There are at least 20 different bugs on her that go beyond just her Q-E stun interaction, such as the ball going in the opposite direction, only slowing if cast with W, getting stopped by Veigar's Stun if colliding with multiple units, tether breaking, displacement, etc.

Vistha KaiJun 16, 20151 votes

I think you overshot with "20", but nevertheless the number of bugs Syndra has right now is still higher than possibly any other champion ever had since release.

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-16T23:56:43.745+0000)

I think you overshot with "20", but nevertheless the number of bugs Syndra has right now is still higher than possibly any other champion ever had since release.

Azir

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Yes, even more than Azir.

101100111000Jun 17, 20151 votes

I was exaggerating with 20, but still. Syndra's completely unplayable. You're getting negative responses because you're suggesting to buff something that is basically unplayable because of glitches. Glitches should be the priority, not buffs.

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Ya might want to split this comment. I know that first sentence refers to me and the rest to the OP, but average Joe might not know that.

101100111000Jun 17, 20151 votes

my derps are derping.

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20151 votes

Uwotm8

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

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Yes, even more than Azir.

my sides

Penguin EclipseJun 17, 20151 votes

Anyone can land E. Not everyone can land Q+E.

Her E is one of her most loaded abilities. Damage, displacement, and the main component to her stun. It doesn't need to be more loaded.

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-06-17T01:11:48.054+0000)

Anyone can land E. Not everyone can land Q+E.

Her E is one of her most loaded abilities. Damage, displacement, and the main component to her stun. It doesn't need to be more loaded.

then what do you propose we do?

Penguin EclipseJun 17, 20151 votes

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then what do you propose we do?

I'd fix her stun (make it more reliable) and then focus on her W.

BleedissJun 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTHphAWU,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-06-17T01:14:15.604+0000)

I'd fix her stun (make it more reliable) and then focus on her W.

what to do with her W though?

seems fine to me

Penguin EclipseJun 17, 20151 votes

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what to do with her W though?

seems fine to me

I'd make it more telekineticy. It's an awesome concept that is rather poorly implemented in my opinion.

And for her E. If I had to change it I would change how it works. Not the damage. It is a force push. I think there are a lot of unexplored opportunities with it. Her E passive could/probably should be changed.

I'm entering a game right now. I'll post more on this later.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 17, 20151 votes

I don't think I want a Syndra ability, which is good for it's knock-back & stun, to be powered up this much. It's like Pantheon's W dealing 100/200/300/400/500 true damage.