I would like people's thoughts on the state of Marksmen.

Prince Wesu·12/6/2016, 8:12:24 AM·2 votes·1,009 views

Marksmen have been bread and butter carry roles for the longest time, but I feel like in current meta now, especially late game, I have nothing I can do to counterplay the assassin/burst mage meta. Yes I get QSS and it seems to really do nothing. I can dodge a lux binding and still get chunked to half with lux's E. What exactly can I do to survive late game as Marksmen without just getting chunked? I cant even go in to do anything without almost dying to splash damage.

Just want to know everyone else's thoughts on the matter.

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Critmaster Garen12/6/2016, 9:00:00 AM4 votes

what assassin meta exactly? like where are you playing? because most assassins are garbage right now with terrible winrates, hence why some of them are receiving buffs. mages are decent and marksmen are strong early, and broken lategame, only held in check by games ending to soon.

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Marksmen have been bread and butter carry roles for the longest time,

for 6 years to be precisely, and its honstly one of the largest problems with the game. bcause there are other carry classes that rarely ever have the option to shine.

since marksmen are so mandatory to every teamcomp, eternally hogging the spot on bot lane and always taking a carry slot on the team, demanding full support and attention, its difficult to actually take other carries into a team without gimping your teamcomp. as it means that there is one slot less on a team for a champion who can support the 2 carries.

dim2a12/6/2016, 9:16:41 AM3 votes

I believe from strategy balance point of view adc marksmen are too strong, as is evident by there always (with rare exceptions) being at least one on each team, whereas comps without any other one class are somewhat common, at least in plat. I'd love to see more variety in botlane (occasional double bruiser, mage with support, melee carry, anything), but the way things are now marksmen are so much stronger than any other botlane carry it doesn't happen.

Astôlfo12/6/2016, 11:39:32 AM3 votes

PFFFT.

ADCs get constantly disgusting favoritism from Riot, at the expense of everyone else.

BlueBilberry12/6/2016, 8:34:40 AM2 votes

Speaking as a regular mid/support player, and only occasional adc, one of the biggest problems is vision, closely followed by counterplay. You have a combination of a fast onslaught from the assassins and no detection from any ward (vision, green, blue, etc.) due to "invisibility". We have a situation where you have hardly any counter to most of the assassins (next to impossible to run away from them in time, can't spot them when they are zooming in and so on).

It's not just the Rengars, but the Talons too -- who would have thunk? FYI, the redesign of assassins has been miserable for players outside of the adc position too.

WoonStruck12/6/2016, 7:25:41 PM1 votes

Need nerfs.