You should always build Morellonomicon instead of Liandry's Torment, even as DOT mage.

Tranoze·6/18/2018, 3:39:03 AM·1 votes·5,885 views

You could buy both, but when the time you consider which you should build first, or build only one of them, this is the time for math to kick in.

Gold cost : item 3165 3000 cheaper than item 3151 3100 Ap + Hp: Same. item 3165 15 magic pen: +12.5% more magic damage against chamption has 35 magic resist (early game) item 3151 2% damage per stack, at 5 stack + 10% damage. Requires 5 secs of combat. (so what im saying is even with full stack, item 3151 still deal less damage than item 3165 WHY???)

(item 3165 deal more damage than item 3151 when target has less than **65 magic resist, and 108.3 **when you already have item 3135 (I wonder if tank ever build more than 2 magic resist item to make this happen anymore)) => better early game, better bust, stack better with other magic pen items (which, you are going to build anyway).

item 3165 -40% healing vs item 3151 deal 1% max heal. If you ask me what is more strong, consider all mask man have part of their rune and lifesteal to be considered as healing, and lots of ~~tank ~~ tanky champions with high max health have healing in their kit DrMundo Maokai Chogath Alistar, i will say item 3165 is better than item 3151.

item 3116 item 3151 combo. Yes, it sound and feel strong, but answer me, can you, or the champion you are dealing with, live longer than 5 secs in this meta? Instead, try item 3165 item 3116 combo (annoying debuff) or item 3165 item 3151 (unhealable) is much stronger. Or all 3 of them.

6 Comments

Shinovar6/13/2019, 2:17:31 PM2 votes

Old discussion, but it's missing a thing so I'm adding it. item 3151 is better on champs that have weak AoE spells, that are able to continuosly procuring it to many opponents. Brand's passive, it doesn't deal much damage, but it keeps the item 3151's burning effect up. On these champs item 3151 is a better item.

MagicFlyingLlama6/18/2018, 3:50:54 AM1 votes

There is really no way to do this math on paper that reflects reality, because both passives on item 3151 cannot be reduced to a percentage or any quantifiable value.

There are definitely cases where it would be better, but not a lot. Also note certain abilities refresh the DoT in odd ways.

Mordepool6/18/2018, 4:16:23 AM1 votes

Liandrys is kinda shit I buy it 4th if I buy it at all.
That's coming from the Champion main who got the item nerfed.

Warlord Rhinark6/18/2018, 6:54:50 AM1 votes

Or.

You could just buy both items?

Instead of having to choose?

Reason972/17/2019, 12:30:26 AM1 votes

I know this thread is a little old so i'm sorry, but due to how little attention it got anyway i hope it's ok to leave a comment.

Morellonomicon does have the pen that Liandry's doesn't, and i could see how it would be better for straight up deleting squishes, but Liandry's passive's both make it much better for teamfight's. The longer the fight goes, your damage goes up by 10% already, and you also have a passive burn on top of that to help melt through tankier people. The flat pen on item 3165 is nice against people with low MR or just their base MR stat's, but against people stacking lot's of health or such, it isn't a lot of MP at all.

Im speaking mostly from the perspective of Anivia , since i have the most experience on her, but item 3151 is sssooo nice on her since it basically just straight up increases the damage you deal with your blizzard, and you're already a great teamfight champ as it is. just my thoughts.