Yup the matchmaking system is a coinflip 100%

VileLeviathan·Aug 29, 2018·49 votes·16,472 views

Its come to a point where when I'm in the loading screen. I just have to hope the matchmaking is on my side. Because of the majority of my games. Have come down to the matchmaking. I'm sure im not the only one going through this. But I rarely get even matchups. Very rarely. Theres always someone on the team who will feed whether it be me sometimes or someone else on my team. It's very frustrating. Because I will go on a massive win streak where we will stomp the enemy team. And then I will go on a bigger lose streak where its usually done before 20. And people are ffing at 15. Because the bot lane is 2/16. Before the 20 minute mark. I'm quite upset about this as I feel the matchmaking just isn't even. I don't know if its an end of season thing. Or if riots matchmaking system is just really bad. I hope things are fixed for next season. Because It's really hard to climb.

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CaveslothAug 30, 201818 votes

It's not the matchmaking, matchmaking hasn't changed, its the high damage snowball meta punishing mistakes as hard as possible, taking away peoples hope so they don't play safe and come back. It's like Runes reforged was designed by a super-villain.

CantripAug 30, 20183 votes

A single mistake can easily decide games. One death - gold for enemy, less exp for you. Come back to that lane and they'll be able to bully you out of more CS/kill and it just get's worse and worse from there.

I do think this is how the game naturally progresses, better team should be getting advantages and winning off keeping those advantages (they capitalized on your mistakes). HOWEVER, I wish it took more than ONE mistake to be completely out of the game -- barring them just throwing

CaveslothAug 30, 20181 votes

Except its hard to tell who is actually better anymore, because a single mistake is basically unrecoverable. The fact that the designers did this ON PURPOSE, means they are are either completely incompetent and don't know what they are doing, or worse, did and didn't care.

rtbf221651412Aug 31, 20181 votes

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It's not the matchmaking, matchmaking hasn't changed, its the high damage snowball meta punishing mistakes as hard as possible, taking away peoples hope so they don't play safe and come back. It's like Runes reforged was designed by a super-villain.

People saying** matchmaking is bad isn't something new** either though. So...

A mix of both? Doesn't have to be black and white.

In fact, if someone isn't playing smart, they are allowing the snowball to happen. In fact, they are making it worse. Snowballing kinda requires a lot of death. Crowd control counters this snowball theory. At that point, it's that people can't figure out what cc is.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/performance/fiddlesticks/na/Lakrosin

Look at my CC score. I'm in the top 1%. I know what I am talking about.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. So why lead 5 horses to water and have only 2 drink while the rest dehydrate and wonder why they are dying?

CaveslothAug 31, 20181 votes

A more pertinent question is, if the game is so garbage, why play at all?

rtbf221651412Sep 1, 20181 votes

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A more pertinent question is, if the game is so garbage, why play at all?

Why should Riot fix it after they said matchmaking is garbage?

See how I turned that on you?

CaveslothSep 1, 20181 votes

When did riot say matchmaking is garbage?

rtbf221651412Sep 2, 20181 votes

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When did riot say matchmaking is garbage?

Oh my God that I don't believe in.

Just look up '2019 matchmaking league of legends'.

CaveslothSep 2, 20181 votes

That's hardly them admitting it was garbage, and all the changes have everything to do with ranked. And the game itself isn't garbage because of matchmaking, its garbage because of the snowball and 1 shot meta. They took away basically all hope of a comeback once a single mistake is made. It's like Runes Reforged was designed by team of bored super-villains with nothing better to do.

rtbf221651412Sep 2, 20181 votes

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That's hardly them admitting it was garbage, and all the changes have everything to do with ranked. And the game itself isn't garbage because of matchmaking, its garbage because of the snowball and 1 shot meta. They took away basically all hope of a comeback once a single mistake is made. It's like Runes Reforged was designed by team of bored super-villains with nothing better to do.

"We also noticed that we were missing the mark in terms of milestones and goals, especially at Bronze, Silver, and Diamond, where you can improve substantially in terms of MMR without ranking up. This, coupled with stale end-of-season rewards and a placement system that’s** badly in need of an update, were leading to a pretty crappy experience for many players.**"

"When we looked at our current arrangement of ranks, we found some of** our tiers encompass a wide skill range or have too many players**—most notably Bronze, Silver, and Diamond. This results in situations where some players go a long time without ever ranking up."

"One more thing: we know competitive intent is a big deal in Ranked, so we’ll be rolling out new systems to help combat situations where players don’t take games in off-positions seriously."

Also

"Master and Challenger are a little bit trickier. Those players don’t get their primary position as often, and it’s important for the integrity of the ladder that every game they play counts toward deciding whether they’re the best."

^Should apply to all ranks. Rito plz. But still.

But yeah keep telling yourself that.

CaveslothSep 2, 20181 votes

Again, the game isn't garbage because of matchmaking though it certainly doesn't help. Its great they are finally addressing after YEARS of people complaining and tons of players leaving, but the problem with game feeling like garbage is the snowball and hyper damage 1 shot meta.

Also its worth noting, nothing short of fixing the snowball, the hyper damage, and bring back real URF with the 10 ban system will ever bring me back.

rtbf221651412Sep 3, 20181 votes

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Again, the game isn't garbage because of matchmaking though it certainly doesn't help. Its great they are finally addressing after YEARS of people complaining and tons of players leaving, but the problem with game feeling like garbage is the snowball and hyper damage 1 shot meta.

Also its worth noting, nothing short of fixing the snowball, the hyper damage, and bring back real URF with the 10 ban system will ever bring me back.

They basically said matchmaking is garbage and you are stating they didn't say matchmaking is garbage.

Wut.

And where the fuck did we go from matchmaking is garbage to the game is garbage? Are you that desperate to be correct?

CaveslothSep 3, 20181 votes

Gonna put it bullet points so you can follow it.

Didn't know they said it. Haven't opened the client or followed anything other than the forums in months just to see if by some miracle the game is getting better.
Said game is garbage in my reply to your first post.

rtbf221651412Sep 3, 20181 votes

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Said game is garbage in my reply to your first post.

Which was fallacious (I never said game was garbage) and ignored. Which is why my next response was cutting and sarcastic:

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Why should Riot fix it after they said matchmaking is garbage?

See how I turned that on you?

And your next response was:

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When did riot say matchmaking is garbage?

So I'm waiting.

CaveslothSep 4, 20181 votes

I SAID THE GAME WAS GARBAGE, I NEVER SAID YOU SAID THE GAME WAS GARBAGE GEEZUS CHRIST MAN HOW THICK ARE YOU?

And waiting for what? Can you not follow a conversation man? I asked the question "When did riot matchmaking is garbage?" Because I didn't know, you told me, and then I replied and argued they didn't out and out say it was garbage, only that needed improvement. Then you go back to the beginning the argument like you got stuck in some kind of weird time warp and forgot what was happening. I mean seriously what's up with you man?

rtbf221651412Sep 4, 20181 votes

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Something about denial.

Good talk.

CaveslothSep 4, 20181 votes

Ok I figured it out, English isn't your first language. It makes sense now.

AetherArisingAug 30, 201813 votes

It is pretty visable that the matchmaking HAS worsened. I've had about 100 teammates, establishing a sample size of 25 games with 4 ally teammates each game, and about 93 of them have been toxic, AFK, inting, troll picks (like Akali Support)

That means SEVEN PERCENT of my teammates were valuble people whom i enjoyed, and considering that i've got about a 30% winrate in the past 20 games (according to op.gg) it makes sense.

10% of the time i can solo carry an awful team of 4 negative players. Thats not good. I dont think any game where the winners are decided in champselect/queue time can be called "competitive"

DisembarkAug 30, 20188 votes

Lol. So you've pretty much blamed EVERY single loss on your team mates. Looking at your opgg I can see multiple games in your last 20 where is seems like YOU, and almost only YOU are the reason for your team's failure.

Yep dude, it's definitely your team's fault for not being able to carry your heavy ass Renekton (first time in ranked btw - a couple games in nexus blitz definitely prepared you!)

https://image.ibb.co/kJqeyU/image.png

Super bad CS, almost no damage, no kill participation, as your team mates try desperately to carry you (team holding me back intensifies) https://image.ibb.co/hZW559/image.png

Now these are only some of the worst games, but you've had plenty of ok/bad ones.

You play a variety of roles and champions instead of sticking to one. Also you've lost a lot to these so aforementioned "troll picks". You've lost to teemo jungle, nunu support, ivern support (just a few I saw quickly). How about instead of tilting at champ select, either dodge or understand that in Silver, your picks don't really matter.

"7%" my ass dude. How about carrying your own weight before you start talking about carrying 4 teammates.

AetherArisingAug 31, 20183 votes

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Lol. So you've pretty much blamed EVERY single loss on your team mates. Looking at your opgg I can see multiple games in your last 20 where is seems like YOU, and almost only YOU are the reason for your team's failure.

Yep dude, it's definitely your team's fault for not being able to carry your heavy ass Renekton (first time in ranked btw - a couple games in nexus blitz definitely prepared you!)

https://image.ibb.co/kJqeyU/image.png

Super bad CS, almost no damage, no kill participation, as your team mates try desperately to carry you (team holding me back intensifies) https://image.ibb.co/hZW559/image.png

Now these are only some of the worst games, but you've had plenty of ok/bad ones.

You play a variety of roles and champions instead of sticking to one. Also you've lost a lot to these so aforementioned "troll picks". You've lost to teemo jungle, nunu support, ivern support (just a few I saw quickly). How about instead of tilting at champ select, either dodge or understand that in Silver, your picks don't really matter.

"7%" my ass dude. How about carrying your own weight before you start talking about carrying 4 teammates.

No offense meant here but you might want to watch the games before you go off of just your opinion and a glance first.

True, i could have done better in those 2 that you picked out, but let me make a couple counterpoints to see if i can sway your view on this.

1: Malzahar, in the xayah game, would pretty much only ult me in a teamfight and nobody else. note that i bought a QSS which i dont tend to because it's an item i aknowledge i don't have the skill or reflexes to use optimally but it happened so often that i figured i should try. (As well as that, i am a jungler main and not an ADC, i was out of my element because the hec wanted jungle and i thought i could pocket-pick xayah xD)

2: In the renekton game, i actually was shitting on Irelia in farm and 2 kills on her, but she ganked botlane. I think i pinged ahead of time but she got a triple kill off the botlane and junglers because they overstayed XD that turned the tide on the game because she hit her midgame spike and i couldnt do much aside from stun a person or two. i only got 4 assists after that and didnt continue scaling hard enough to keep up. THAT was the misplay but there wasnt much to do aside from farm (which i did.) when i wasnt grouping

DisembarkAug 31, 20181 votes

Well, you’re also just talking above the reasons you didn’t do so hot.

However, if I actually watched the games, I could probably pick a bunch of other things that you did that potentially cost you the game.

Even in the games you won, you probably made a bunch of mistakes

AetherArisingAug 31, 20181 votes

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Well, you’re also just talking above the reasons you didn’t do so hot.

However, if I actually watched the games, I could probably pick a bunch of other things that you did that potentially cost you the game.

Even in the games you won, you probably made a bunch of mistakes

Can't deny that i make mistakes, i'm just an average guy, but losing the game and making mistakes are different things. In my last game, the malzahar ulted the not-even-fed-or-stacked Viegar instead of the 22/8/9 nocturne jungle, but i stuck with him, told him to save it up, and then the next time it came up we baited at baron and won the game off it.

Massive fuckup because he died from ulting a low priority, but we pulled it back around because the other 4 players (myself, the jhin and pyke, and KINDA the garen but not that much on his side) knew how to coordinate

This is the kind of game i consider pretty fair, both sides were evenly matched until the final ace from our side, totaling us to 5 kills above the enemy.

This is the thing i'm saying. I dont mean people who make mistakes. I'm fine with people being shit at one major thing. Hell, our jhin in that very same game had NO map awareness but we all played around that fact and tried to stay in a place near him, and ended up peeling so hard that he carried on the damage side while malz and i got the CC train going.

I'm saying that i dislike having nonstop gamethrowers, toxic players, and int feeders

which i've had plenty of in the past many games.

DisembarkSep 1, 20181 votes

I’m feeling like you take the term “int feeders” very loosely.

It literally feels like you blame almost every loss on those three things, and thinking “nah, even if I played better I can’t carry”.

Which isn’t true at all. I don’t think you realize how bad silver players are (not trying to be mean here). From everything, from almost every movement. Not knowing enemy jungle pathing/matchup. No idea when they’re in lethal to die, or knowing when enemy is in lethal to capitalize. Just they way the orbwalk, use cooldowns, position in lane. People in silver spam their most important cooldowns, and the enemy doesn’t even bother capitalizing on it. Also pretty bad teamfighting, especially on ADCs.

What I mean here is, is that it’s really easy for you to dumpster through Silver if you focus on improving, instead of spamming games. I was HARD STUCK in Bronze 3. In just season 6, and I played a lot and used guides to climb to Silver 3. The next season I climbed to Plat5 from Bronze 1, just by focusing on improving.

You won’t improve by trying to be a macro genius, you will improve by picking a single champion, and being hyper aggressive until you completely understand the limits. If you get an advantage it shouldn’t be like “nice I got an advantage”. You should be shoving it so far down down the enemy’s throat that they can’t do anything. They should be scared to walk in their jungle.

DisembarkSep 1, 20181 votes

Idk how to delete this

Solutate SmurfAug 30, 20189 votes

My problem is when your on a fat winstreak, but then for some reason your adc and mid laner look like it's their first game ever

BumperlaneAug 30, 20187 votes

League is a team game. Which means, yeah, hope you get a good team. Ranked is a joke.

MrFawknSunshineAug 29, 20183 votes

well yea that makes 100% sense that the team with the better players wins

VileLeviathanAug 29, 20188 votes

Why can't they find a way to balance it out? To make the teams even.

MrFawknSunshineAug 29, 20182 votes

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Why can't they find a way to balance it out? To make the teams even.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jqHoFwiF-matchmaking

look at the post i made i believe was last night or the night before. I dont know if youre talking normal game match making or rank. but take a gander at my latest experience with match making

NorglicsAug 30, 20181 votes

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Why can't they find a way to balance it out? To make the teams even.

cause ranks mean nothing , many shitty plat play worse than bronzies , so your team made on ranks will be constist of noobs and good players too

BigFBearAug 30, 20183 votes

Less people playing LoL = worse matchmaking

SubdueAug 30, 20182 votes

Sounds to me like you're accurately rated then. We see it time and again. Players starting way below their skill level stomp games until they get closer, at which point their win rates start to drop. When they're accurately rated, your win rate should be around 50% because everyone should be about as good as you are.

This is how it's supposed to work.

VileLeviathanAug 30, 20181 votes

I don't believe that a bot lane is supposed to go 2/16 within the first 20 though... or a top 0/10 before 20 as well.

SubdueAug 30, 20183 votes

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I don't believe that a bot lane is supposed to go 2/16 within the first 20 though... or a top 0/10 before 20 as well.

Everyone has a bad game once in a while. Even if every player only has a bad game 10% of the time, that's statistically 1 player every game. And in silver, that frequency is much higher.

ModPeriscopeAug 31, 20182 votes

I removed your image as it was naming and shaming.

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SubdueAug 31, 20182 votes

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I removed your image as it was naming and shaming.

If you have any questions about this moderation, feel free to reach out to us in the Boards Discord.

It's fine that you removed it, but it's not really naming and shaming if the OP makes a claim that matchmaking is a coinflip because teammates do poorly and the image identifies that he himself occasionally does poorly. Shouldn't review of your personal record be fair game when you make claims against it?

ModPeriscopeAug 31, 20181 votes

My apologies. I didn’t recognize it was the op. You can repost it if you’d like.

VileLeviathanAug 31, 20181 votes

You play quite poorly as well sometimes.... https://imgur.com/a/16LBWEQ And I do recall saying in the original post sometimes it is me who plays bad. But you went out of your way to try to find an overly bad game.... Good on ya kid. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

SubdueAug 31, 20181 votes

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You play quite poorly as well sometimes.... https://imgur.com/a/16LBWEQ

Lol first of all that's ARAM.

This is exactly my point though. Everyone plays poorly some of the time, and anyone who tells you they don't is full of shit. There are plenty of games where I have played poorly, including in ranked, though you can't see any there as I haven't played ranked in a long while, unless you count the couple of flex games I played a while ago. But I'm not the one on the forum complaining about teammates playing poorly. That's the difference between you and me.

There are a million things that happen in a game which you can't control. There's one thing you can always control, and that's your own play. The first step to improving, to climbing that ladder, is to stop looking at everyone else for why you're losing and start looking at yourself. Start analyzing your own errors, the holes in your own gameplay, and work on those issues, because those are the only issues you can fix.

When Faker ends up in a game with a bunch of Diamond chumps, he's not thinking "Hmm, I hope my teammates don't suck." He's thinking "I'm gonna stomp these fuckers into the ground because I fucking rock." That's what you should be thinking too, at least for your own division. Think about what YOU can do to improve your situation, instead of who you can blame for it.

VileLeviathanAug 31, 20181 votes

I rarely go into a game with a poor mindset. Now I can go on and on about from what I saw on your op.gg but I won't. That's the difference between you and me. Now I don't ever want to be compared to someone like yourself ever again that's disgusting. I always keep a positive mindset when heading into the game. And a lot of the time while playing it I will try to encourage the team. I stay away from flaming players who are playing poorly as it won't help them try harder or play smarter. But all you play is aram. So you wouldn't understand the original post. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

SubdueAug 31, 20181 votes

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I rarely go into a game with a poor mindset. Now I can go on and on about from what I saw on your op.gg but I won't. That's the difference between you and me. Now I don't ever want to be compared to someone like yourself ever again that's disgusting. I always keep a positive mindset when heading into the game. And a lot of the time while playing it I will try to encourage the team. I stay away from flaming players who are playing poorly as it won't help them try harder or play smarter. But all you play is aram. So you wouldn't understand the original post. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

All I've been playing recently is ARAM.

But you can clearly see from my profile, I've been Gold+ Summoner's Rift Solo Queue in every season I've played in since Season 1, and Platinum+ in the last 2 seasons, though I decayed back to Gold 1 for this season from inactivity.

Nice try though, trying to throw that in my face, when you're hardstuck Silver. I gave you solid advice and you're too focused on passing the blame to see it.

Mizuhashi ParuAug 30, 20182 votes

That's what happens when it is next to impossible to solo carry. You are ways WAYS too reliant on others to do shit in this game at the moment, especially when the communication is basically nonexistent and no one cares when you call objectives, while your team prefers to zerg, die and lose it afterwards.

NorglicsAug 30, 20181 votes

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That's what happens when it is next to impossible to solo carry. You are ways WAYS too reliant on others to do shit in this game at the moment, especially when the communication is basically nonexistent and no one cares when you call objectives, while your team prefers to zerg, die and lose it afterwards.

and thats a good thing ,this should be a team game not a solo lame fest ,where every ego kid can shit on its team and yet win cause he can solo enemy team for some crap balance reasons

Mizuhashi ParuAug 30, 20182 votes

Partially yes, partially no. League was mainly a mixture between solo carrying and team game, means if you are good you could impact the game enough to take a big chunk of weight off your team and basically "play for 2 or 3". This is now nonexistent. No one should roflstomp 1 v 5 with ease, hell no but you as a solo player who played decently should be able to impact the game enough to "push" in the right direction.

And at the moment this is not achievable unless you are diamond+ and smurf in bronze to gold.

NorglicsAug 30, 20182 votes

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Partially yes, partially no. League was mainly a mixture between solo carrying and team game, means if you are good you could impact the game enough to take a big chunk of weight off your team and basically "play for 2 or 3". This is now nonexistent. No one should roflstomp 1 v 5 with ease, hell no but you as a solo player who played decently should be able to impact the game enough to "push" in the right direction.

And at the moment this is not achievable unless you are diamond+ and smurf in bronze to gold.

yup now it is more about dont have a teammate who fucks up heavily like 0/10 top at min 15 or similar , cause then you can be the best player you wont win vs an okay enemy

Caretaker JackAug 30, 20182 votes

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Its come to a point where when I'm in the loading screen. I just have to hope the matchmaking is on my side. Because of the majority of my games. Have come down to the matchmaking. I'm sure im not the only one going through this. But I rarely get even matchups. Very rarely. Theres always someone on the team who will feed whether it be me sometimes or someone else on my team. It's very frustrating. Because I will go on a massive win streak where we will stomp the enemy team. And then I will go on a bigger lose streak where its usually done before 20. And people are ffing at 15. Because the bot lane is 2/16. Before the 20 minute mark. I'm quite upset about this as I feel the matchmaking just isn't even. I don't know if its an end of season thing. Or if riots matchmaking system is just really bad. I hope things are fixed for next season. Because It's really hard to climb.

Idk about the other lanes, but in bot lane, the best player doesn't actually win.

If you're adc, the better support decides the whole lane unless both your opponents are stupid or have the weaker matchup... And if you're support it's much worse because all your efforts are useless if the adc cant land skills or position. And if he decides to just play for late game then you're in for the most boring game of your life because you're actually trapped into sitting behind a complete dunce.

Even if the matchup is completely winnable, you have to play like you've already lost and your only hope is if somebody roams down to bail you out... I don't know about the matchmaking for all of you but it's complete cancer for support. A retarded adc will let them shove you to the turret and demand you ward on top of the enemy pinks with no pressure to contest it because (they're scaling.) You have no options. If you choose to roam, your allies will be so focused on raging at you that they wont even try to make use of anything you actually did. If you get matched with the wrong team as support, it's actually hell because you have to sit there for the remaining 7 to 40 minutes until the game is lost because your allies spend the whole time stalling instead of actually playing the game.

PhearBunnyAug 30, 20182 votes

but lets be fair here, going 0-5 in lane phase isn't always "feeding". Many times the case is that, whatever lane has a bad matchup in the first place, combined with their opposing lane champion and opposing jungle champion having strong gank/diving synergy. Many times it is unavoidable for your top laner for example, to go 0-5, be behind in CS, and exp. But all the attention being placed on the top side of the map, should be exploited by your jungler taking entire bot side jungle and putting your other lanes ahead via ganks, or just pressure. Its not always the 0-5 guys fault you lost, sometimes its your teams fault for not capitalizing on the oppurtunities that come from someone getting focused on.

Lunar LunacyAug 31, 20182 votes

The way I look at it, is that if you are playing well you only really increase your chances of winning by 1-5%. If you are playing REALLY well, you only increase your chances of winning to like, 60%. There's still too many variables for one person to account for, even if that person is a monster.