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Bronze to silver- Is it possible?

vivimos··2 votes·2,100 views

We've all watched videos of diamond players climbing from iron to diamond and we know that skill is how they do that. But what about climbing just one rank up?

I suggest that if you are a silver player, unless you qualify in silver, only luck will carry you out of bronze and nothing else. The reason why diamond players can solo carry in bronze is because they are so vastly better than the bronze player. But if you're only a little better then you're screwed.

The first two seasons I played league I qualified silver and I played in silver. That was way back when they had the deal where if you didn't play every week you would go down in rank. I stopped playing for a bit and came back and my rank was changed to bronze. I've never been able to climb out. For years.. I don't think its possible.

Iron, bronze, and silver ranks are all the same. Unless you're a diamond quality player that can make up for 3 AFK's on your team Winning and losing is literally a roll of the dice.

Prove me wrong.

17 Comments

Butterwood2 votes

This is categorically untrue. I got placed in B4 to start the season and have already tried once (and failed) on my S1 promos to get to gold. Currently sitting in S2, one decent hotstreak away from gold promos again.

Staying positive, focusing on teamwork, warding, and not treating your teammates like shit goes a long way. I'm not great at league, but I make fast friends with my teammates and I credit more wins to attitude than anything else. Bronze/Silver teams are in a perpetual state of tilt. If you're jungling and camp the same lane for 2 or 3 kills in the first 10 minutes, you've basically already won.

5050BS1 votes

If you're jungling and camp the same lane for 2 or 3 kills in the first 10 minutes, you've basically already won.

This is what Im seeing. If the Jungler ganks a lane over and over and gets kills early then that team wins.

If I have an afk jungler we lose most of the time.

Ganking Top or mid is best because the fights are 50% in your advantage (2v1) vs if you gank bot where its only 33% more in your advantage (3v2).

Butterwood1 votes

If you're tired of "AFK junglers", then jungle and do this yourself. I'm a jungle main and can't stand when laners constantly blame me for things outside of my control. Quit harassing your junglers, and if you're tired of them playing in a way that you don't like, then play jungle.

Silly Neeko1 votes

I think they meant junglers that actually go afk.

Or literally farm all game on camps, not taking objectives, not even trying to fake pressure on a lane that is up against the ally turret.... etc.

Yes, I have seen it. Even in gold. There is no need to jump down their throat simply because they have noticed that when their jungler is actually doing something then it is nearly a sure win.... vs when they are actively NOT doing something then it is near loss.

I do agree that if you do not like how other players are dealing with the role, do it yourself.... thats why im a support main. But just because someone made a passing commentary about having junglers afk (which could be argued both ways of if it is the most detrimental if they afk).... does not mean they were exactly complaining about junglers.

Butterwood1 votes

Context always matters, though. I primarily play gank-heavy champs (Shaco and Ivern) and find every once in a while that I've got a team who is constantly pushed up or is laning against extremely conservative players. In those cases I farm like crazy. Other champs like Yi or Amumu need a TON of farm early game to keep up with everyone else so they can scale late.

However, even junglers who frequently gank and communicate with teammates become the punching bags for people who don't ward, or people that can't disengage, or people who can't farm efficiently and end up in a bad spot 10 mins in.

Silly Neeko1 votes

Except for like i said, they did not say "afk" jungler.... they meant like ine that is actually disconnected from the game.

Trust me, I know context matters, i was being complained at by my team for over half a game until they saw that the ADC of ours kept getting pulled by Blitz into heimer's turrets and that I kept trying to save their silly butt as poppy supp lol

Butterwood1 votes

I seriously doubt that's what they meant. An AFK in any lane is basically an instant loss - it's something everyone universally dislikes. If that's what they meant then I definitely misunderstood, but I'm guessing it isn't.

Syrile1 votes

Going to tell you a couple of not-so-secret-secrets. First, you do not buy control wards. Do so. They help. Your vision score is bad in a lot of the games. Specifically, in the games you do really well in, you place much more wards. But even then, you never buy a control ward or destroy enemy wards. That is a problem. Denying vision is extremely powerful and being able to track enemy JGs and roams will keep you safe, keep your team safe, and secure objectives... which leads to my next thing....

Looking at your match history shows you do well KDA wise, often enough. However, your macro play is what almost all Iron-Silver players and many golds lack a lot of. Kills should translate into objectives, even small ones such as turret plates (which are easy enough) but something like deep vision in the enemy JG is worth remembering. This is how you really win a game of League of Legends. At least until they finally crush out that aspect entirely.

vivimos1 votes

I appreciate your reply.

I will try and buy more pink wards. I usually buy 1 or 2 per game but not much more than that. But if you consider I just played a game where my ADC had 24 cs at 10 minutes and the game right after that my adc had 29cs at 15 minutes. Then I had a game where my adc just kept walking into the bush and getting blown up by brand over and over again. there is nothing I can do to fix that.

It just that randomly I got bad teammates and randomly you didn't get those same teammates. That is why you climb.

Butterwood1 votes

Yes, none of this is on you. I'm sure.

Syrile1 votes

{quoted}

I appreciate your reply.

I will try and buy more pink wards. I usually buy 1 or 2 per game but not much more than that. But if you consider I just played a game where my ADC had 24 cs at 10 minutes and the game right after that my adc had 29cs at 15 minutes. Then I had a game where my adc just kept walking into the bush and getting blown up by brand over and over again. there is nothing I can do to fix that.

It just that randomly I got bad teammates and randomly you didn't get those same teammates. That is why you climb.

You are welcome.

And you should really see the various posts I have shared about the absolute trolling in games. I literally get completely garbage teammates all the time including ones that deliberately go 0/19 by feeding my lane, having 13 CS at 20 minutes, and starting off with a bunch of potions and control wards on Akali. :D

And you are right about this, there is nothing you can do for that. I hate it too. Riot should ban trolls but there is always that usual base of people that cry "you cannot prove it was trolling" despite how obvious someone going 0/12 in 14 minutes is???

Anyways, the vision thing definitely helps a ton. I was a little distracted by food and did not type out that you are not buying Oracle either. As a support, you need to upgrade your support item to the second level as quickly as possible (even on the carry supports) and then switch out your trinket to Oracle as soon as you get the quest or if you are really close to getting the quest when you back you should go ahead and do it. And buy two control wards.

If you are playing carry supports, put your focus on constant poking, keep vision up and keep your ADC farming as safely as you can. Try to get vision in the enemy JG surrounding the dragon pit so your JG can travel safely and if you wipe out bot lane you can take dragon. Objectives are good for moral as well as in-game stats. Especially an early ocean or of course an infernal for late game scaling.

Clearing the enemy vision should (maybe not as much at low elo but it still helps) make them a little more wary about going in on you and you can use that to their advantage. If they are not smart about it, point it out during a safe back timing to your JG. Let them know the enemy has no vision (because you checked with your oracle or have a control ward there) and the enemy keeps pushing in anyway. This makes for an easy gank and most bad players focus on kills rather than objectives so this will get their attention normally. If the gank is successful and you kill them or force them out of lane and are healthy enough, take dragon.

And so on.

IP Masquerena1 votes

I made a Feedamere almost rage quit when he had 5 cs at 20 mins.

I started the season B3 and I'm S3 atm, a friend with whom I play a good amount started I1 and is S4 and he's the off meta player. Soraka, Rek'sai and Kayn, all on top lane are what he's playing the most unless he's autifilled support, whole I'm always playing what I'm comfortable with, fuck the meta.

We could be higher but we don't really play much ranked.

My advice is to do the following 3:

  • More control wards
  • Always check the minimap every 10-15 sec
  • Have this mentality: "stay calm and try to keep your team calm, if you don't, you only work against your own chances of winning. Fuck your team but remember you need them, save their ass if you need to even if you hate them, they may not deserve the win but you're in the same team and you need the win".

As a bonus tip, here are a few questions to help you always be a step ahead. If you ever wondered why some people have those great predictions on stuff like Thresh, the answer is around here.

  1. How can my opponent hurt me?
  2. How can I avoid it?
  3. How can I hurt him?
  4. How can he avoid it?
  5. How can I counter that?

There's no "how can he counter that" question because that's already part of how to he can hurt you.

As a bonus for split pushing:

  1. Should I be here? 2a. Yes. Why? 2b. No. Why am I here then? continuation from 2a
  2. For how long should I be here?

The first 3 tips will help you rack a few more wins than the average Joe, but the faster can mentally keep tab of all the above question, the faster you will have an edge over many players, as many only focus on how they can hurt you alone, nothing else, but if you have a tab on how your opponent can hurt and stop you, you'll have a sharingan so to say :p

And as final touch: If your opponent can't hurt you, there's no way for him to win the 1v1 and he knows it but suddenly goes aggressive and you don't know where the enemy jungler is, back off, it's a gank. But if you know where the jungler is, enjoy the free kill.

Normally when a jungler ganks, the laner should poker face it, but in low elos and even higher ones, they won't and spoil it by trying too hard to bait you.

Hope this helps

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

I mean in in bronze 1 promos arm cause in too lazy to actually do it.

But I made it there playing nothing but nami. Thus defying "lul you can climb playing enchanters" and all that.

So unless you're telling me every single game I've had so far was just luck, then its perfectly plausible.

Silly Neeko1 votes

Ive went from either B4 or B2 to gold in about 200 games only playing support :^) i defy the logic of "you cant climb playing support" and i mostly did it solo.

LiberalWithFacts1 votes

I agree that to an extent people climb because they just better than the ELO they are in, but here is my counter

I started playing season 6 placed bronze 4 and after a sad 1000 games + I finished S5 was S3 at one point. season 7 placed B4 55 games later was S5 finished the season G1. season 8 placed S3? finished P4,

it doesn't take luck. It takes time and a constant effort to improve your individual skill. when you start to improve your skill as you climb your ELO you find you are normally one of the stronger players on your team. You don't have to be 3 tiers ahead in skill to climb. what I noticed is when you start to figure the game out and start expanding your knowledge and ability to help your team in different ways you make the players around you better. I have climbed to a higher tier every season and I didn't do it 1v9. when you forget about what your teammates are doing wrong and focus on what you can do your play will elevate. this has a long-term affect of you doing generally well in majority of your games which will lift your team up and cause more wins to come your way.

I wont lie I don't climb the latter fast, but I have always gone up and never had a major setback. for sure hardstuck at times but never letting that turn into a spiral where I lose several ranks. currently I sit gold 1 hoping to be plat by end of split and diamond by end of season. league is hard at times and it takes commitment and frustration its not for everyone but I am very competitive with myself and know I can do better you can to.

TL;DR if you commit to getting better you will climb

usul12021 votes

If you are better than your rank you will win more games. If it's slightly better it may be as small as a 51% win rate, but you will slowly climb out. Now, if you are at 51% you're going to need a metric fuckton of games, but if you improve as you play then the rate goes up and things get quicker

Kanyoupipu1 votes

{quoted}

We've all watched videos of diamond players climbing from iron to diamond and we know that skill is how they do that. But what about climbing just one rank up?

I suggest that if you are a silver player, unless you qualify in silver, only luck will carry you out of bronze and nothing else. The reason why diamond players can solo carry in bronze is because they are so vastly better than the bronze player. But if you're only a little better then you're screwed.

The first two seasons I played league I qualified silver and I played in silver. That was way back when they had the deal where if you didn't play every week you would go down in rank. I stopped playing for a bit and came back and my rank was changed to bronze. I've never been able to climb out. For years.. I don't think its possible.

Iron, bronze, and silver ranks are all the same. Unless you're a diamond quality player that can make up for 3 AFK's on your team Winning and losing is literally a roll of the dice.

Prove me wrong.

You're not wrong, you are 100% right.

Defenders of the garbage system will say "well DOPA climed iron to challenger in _____ games so why cant you".

The truth is, if you are a Silver-skilled player, getting out of bronze is 100% luck based. Same with silver getting to gold. You are at the mercy of the matchmaking and nothing else.

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