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Permanent removal of the surrender system

Epitaphfire··4 votes·1,837 views
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Now I realize that this will be disregarded by most because of 2 reasons. 1. Because I was playing Teemo in this game (people think he's Satan, we get it, but focus on the point of this) 2. Because people believe the surrender option is a great feature in the game so that when things aren't going their way, they can just end the game at 20 mins, ruining the winning team's fun, and giving the losing team their instant gratification of going onto the next game in their all day marathon that would be hindered by playing in a losing game (god forbid they learn from their mistakes).

To the point, the link I've posted doesn't do justice to the exact circumstances of this game, we were winning.... and DESTROYING them in fact, I was trying to make the last push by myself, and I say by myself not because I had best KDA, but because my entire team had made a sport of following me around and doing nothing but taking farm (I didn't need it, I was full build for QUITE a while already, they just wanted to deny me any gold they could), and in the process, anytime we ran into enemy team resistance, they would get just close enough so that the team could engage on us, so they could try and feed me to the enemy team. Their comments throughout the WHOLE game were something to the tune of: "This teemo needs to die" "Just get one kill on teemo and we'll end" "teemo's in top brush come kill him" "teemo's at your blue, come get him". This SHIT went on for the last 10 mins of the game after I was far into full build. I managed to chunk down all three inhib turrets, and the inhibs as well. Here I am thinking that all I have to do is get with the double super minion waves and push into and take their Nexus (both Nexus turrets had been down from earlier team fight). And as the second wave of double supers were pushing into their base, I was slightly behind them, and MY team starts the surrender, and of course I clicked decline, and 3 out of the other 4 clicked yes, and as I got into the base, and started running to Nexus (I knew what they were doing), whoever the final one was clicked yes, which as you all know, means that even if I had downed the Nexus in the lagtime between final count and defeat, we still would have lost.

This was just a normal game, and while I know you elitest are gonna come in here tell me to get over it cause it wasn't ranked, but that is besides the point, it is shit like this, the majority (who more than likely were queued together) being able to control whatever they want in games just because they have the numbers. I personally never surrender, I believe that if our team is losing, we need to either make correction and try to come back, or learn from the experience and make sure I/We/They/etc. don't make those mistakes again. As conclusion, you want a new mechanic to balance this game?

TAKE OUT SURRENDERING.

44 Comments

Berry Állen7 votes

This is literally the stupidest post ever. You just want it removed because you don't care how the other people feel. You'd rather have them waste their time and not have fun and stay in a game they are obviously gonna lose, then go into their next games and possibly win some. Who cares if it was normals, a lot of people only play normals and would like to win but if you're losing, oh hey! there's a surrender option so you don't gotta waste your time on fuckwads and go on with your day.

Epitaphfire1 votes

You're playing an online GAME, your time is already wasted, clearly you're doing nothing better with it, so don't complain because you can't understand the premise of the post you elitest nuisance

Berry Állen3 votes

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you elitest nuissance

But, i'm not elitist? If i was elitist I would've said something how it wasn't ranked right? I play this for fun, and i'm not having fun if I have to stay in a game I don't wanna play. And yeah it sucks that your team surrendered when you were clearly gonna win but (they're douches) but, I know for a fact that the surrender will never be removed because it's there for getting games over with quicker for people that want to leave. Please keep crying though I like talking to children.

Epitaphfire1 votes

I'm sure you do enjoy talking to children, you would relate to them so well. But fact is, if you commit to a game you should be forced to see it through, not just be able to cut and run like an immature little brat "wah I didn't win, I don't wanna play anymore" Just like these ignorant people who will fight to the VERY end, and then like they just went full retard until the end, they will surrender as their Nexus is about to go down.... What purpose is that for? Is that getting the game over quicker? I just got out of a game where we aced them, and we were RIGHT at the Nexus, and instead of just letting us have the win, and feel good, they surrender. Here is an example that you should understand, just imagine you're playing really well, and having a GOOD game, and you wanna get to full build just to see what else you can do, and they all just come out and stand in the middle of lane and tell you "have at us", there is no fun in it anymore, that is what someone surrendering when you're winning feels like. It is just stupid

IcyPepper5 votes

You make a great point, so why are you playing this game again?

So don't complain because you can't understand the point of surrender you elitist nuisance.

Oh, by the way, I italicized the words you misspelled. Try proofreading sometime, it really helps you make better points.

Epitaphfire1 votes

Oh my most sincere apologies, whatever have I done, typing more than one letter in that word, please do take me out back and flog me for this transgression.

I didn't realize we'd turned this discussion into a grammar nazi convention. You're clearly done if that is the best you have. Have a horrible night :)

IcyPepper2 votes

So you're just going to ignore the first half of my comment, and call the second the best I have.

Multiple insults do nothing if you have no substance as foundation. As you can tell, the first half of my comment was the foundation, and the latter was calling you out for insulting another unfairly (along with a spelling correction; if you're going to insult people, at least spell the damn words right).

I'd turn it around and say you're done if that's the best you have, but unfortunately you didn't even try to use any valid reasoning and points in this discussion, so there's really nothing to be had.

Okay. Rammus

Epitaphfire1 votes

"You make a great point, so why are you playing this game again?"

^^^^^^ That is your "foundation"? Lol, a foundation by definition is supposed to be something sturdy that can withstand that which is build on it. And that is the most poorly formed foundation I've seen in terms of intelligent conversation, if you're going to try and claim to have some vast knowledge of how to spit insults at me, at least do so with something more than a question that is easily taken apart with the answer being... Because league is fun. Where do you go with that aside from sitting with your epeen in your hands and a dumb look on your face?

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

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Berry Állen2 votes

I don't know if you read more, but I corrected myself earlier that I read it, so you child, need to calm down. The fact that he wants surrender removed is in itself stupid here. There is nothing he can do about it. The thing that should happen with premades though is that it should only match you with other premades and when you are solo, only with other people who are soloing. This way he can get what he wants by there not being premades that can just outnumber him in surrender and also not make another post like this.

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

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I don't know if you read more, but I corrected myself earlier that I read it, so you child, need to calm down. The fact that he wants surrender removed is in itself stupid here. There is nothing he can do about it. The thing that should happen with premades though is that it should only match you with other premades and when you are solo, only with other people who are soloing. This way he can get what he wants by there not being premades that can just outnumber him in surrender and also not make another post like this.

Oh god, you called me a child. You are one of those people with a superiority complex. What are you going to do, report me? And he obviously doesn't really want surrender removed, he is just pissed about the loss right now. How can you not understand that? Do you have no comprehensive reading skills?

Berry Állen2 votes

I know he is pissed but don't post something stupid like wanting surrender removed, make it like different about how premades are stupid when you are solo and that you would wanna get matched with other people that are solo also (get the premade trolls out of here). Then maybe the surrender wouldn't happen and they can finish. I am pretty pissed for him that his team ratted him out though because that has happened to me sometimes as teemo (I hope he reported them) but come on.

Epitaphfire1 votes

The fact is, you can't have a system where premades are matched with other premades, because people will always continue to make 4 person teams and have that one solo player thrown in, JUST to troll them, and that is EXACTLY what happened to me. I genuinely would like to see surrender removed, or at the very least, reworked so this majority bullshit is meaningless, have someone's vote count exponentially more if they have a better KDA/more kills and assists. But SOMETHING so that if you're genuinely doing well they can't hijack the whole thing just to watch your W/L ratio drop for no reason.

Provengreil1 votes

it's team builder, why would you care? if W/L means that much to you, and you hate premades with such passion, go play ranked.

LifeCyclesTWA2 votes

{quoted}

This is literally the stupidest post ever. You just want it removed because you don't care how the other people feel. You'd rather have them waste their time and not have fun and stay in a game they are obviously gonna lose, then go into their next games and possibly win some. Who cares if it was normals, a lot of people only play normals and would like to win but if you're losing, oh hey! there's a surrender option so you don't gotta waste your time on fuckwads and go on with your day.

You obviously have no idea how to read. You should give it a try sometime. Hell, if you think you are up to it, try clicking on the link. You know numbers, right?

The post is about how his team was in position to win and had an 11.7k gold lead and they threw the game because he had 0-deaths. I understand why he is frustrated.

Epitaphfire1 votes

Thank you VERY much for being (thus far) the only person to not only understand my issue here, but also agreed (at the least) that people like this are the issue here. You may not agree that surrender should be removed, but I can appreciate someone who isn't just here to troll and treat me like shit for something that is clearly an issue here (and that the majority of these people in this board probably contribute to)

Upvote for you, though I'm fairly certain it won't stay that way for long (god forbid someone speak out against the masses here)

blkh16 votes

I have one simple reason to allow surrender. When the enemy team camps at your fountain disregarding the nexus just to kill whoever comes out. It isn't fun at that point, it is rude and unsportsmanlike. Yes, "you deserved it for playing so poorly and sucking so badly". BS, it is there for a reason. That singular reason alone makes it necessary. Your team did a shitty thing, but it must be left for when people simply feel they are done and don't want to continue in that game. Report the other players for surrendering how they did, and yes they should be dealt with. This has also happened in ranked. It is a way of showing, we could have won, but just chose not to. It must be left in though.

Epitaphfire1 votes

Please stop speaking as if you're the final say in the matter, this is a board for the opinion, saying stupid stuff like "it must be left in though" is just ignorant, if they have you pushed to your spawn, eventually the super minions will do the job for them, whether they want it ended or not, and when you're down three inhibs, and can't kill the minions, guess what, you go down... FAST.

blkh12 votes

you aren't explaining why surrender should be removed other than for bloodlust. A vampire wants you to want them to suck your blood from you. You simple get pleasure from the torture, that is neither human, nor animal. You have given us nothing more the ramblings of a delusional mind.

zane yalgir1 votes

{quoted}

I have one simple reason to allow surrender. When the enemy team camps at your fountain disregarding the nexus just to kill whoever comes out. It isn't fun at that point, it is rude and unsportsmanlike. Yes, "you deserved it for playing so poorly and sucking so badly". BS, it is there for a reason. That singular reason alone makes it necessary. Your team did a shitty thing, but it must be left for when people simply feel they are done and don't want to continue in that game. Report the other players for surrendering how they did, and yes they should be dealt with. This has also happened in ranked. It is a way of showing, we could have won, but just chose not to. It must be left in though.

i guess you think dodging is toxic too. well i got news for you know one wants your bard mid

blkh11 votes

Why not let people try out new things?

Krigjer5 votes

ruining the winning team's fun

I stopped reading here. The losing team is composed of human beings who might be frustrated that you're not trying to push and just farming them under turret for kills.

I can't stand players like this. Go play bot games if you just want to kill things endlessly.

Provengreil4 votes

There are legitimate times to surrender, if an entire team was genuinely losing to just you, that time was twenty minutes ago for the enemy.

However, your post reeks of an almost sick glee of beating people clearly weaker than you and just never letting go, infinitely comparing yourself to anyone doing even a bit worse than you. ...they can just end the game at 20 mins, ruining the winning team's fun... ...DESTROYING them in fact, I was trying to make the last push by myself... ... not because I had best KDA, but because my entire team had made a sport of following me around and doing nothing but taking farm...(Sivir had more champ damage than you, and when 2 carries are that fed it's actually hard for a third to find the gold to keep up, but TF wasn't slouching) ...so they could try and feed me to the enemy team...

as you were DESTROYING them, did you even notice their support pantheon, already a suspect pick, was AFK?

Even when "you" chunked down the turrets(which is highly suspect as your team was clearly there because they have have half the credit and your build sucks for structure killing), is it possible you were raging hard at TF for feeding cassiopeia while claiming to be carrying, and your teammates said, "screw this guy, it's a normal so no LP loss let's not let him win?"

Because I'd have said yes too.

PS: ... I was full build for QUITE a while already... Upgrade your damn trinket and drop more than 6 wards in a 45 minute game, Bronzie.

Epitaphfire1 votes

Just so you're aware since it seems to escape your CLEARLY narrow gaze, Teemo drops shrooms that while they don't give an absurd amount of vision, they were more than enough to keep me safe the entire game (evident by my 0 deaths, but once again narrow vision for you :) ), and it doesn't matter how much damage the rest of my team had, the only reason I had no more damage and kills than I did, is because they kept trying to push out while my team was just following me around not helping with anything, I survived using shrooms and blinding shot well, and got most of my kills under their towers. I don't need your approval of what happened in this game, or for you to even believe me in the slightest, I only wish I had started up SkinSpotlights so that I could post the game itself so that you could see exactly what happened. Because as it stands, the numbers don't lie, my adc got fed early, and when they decided that because I hadn't died, that I needed to, they changed pace, and started targeting their own team. I know that pantheon was DCed, and it doesn't change that I was doing well in MY lane, and well when I roamed. Sorry you don't approve of the use of the word "destroyed" but that is exactly what happened, I was dove at least 7 times after they started telling them where I was, and got away ONLY because I gave myself protection with shrooms and backed in obscure spots so they couldn't wall jump and just melt me. Also, if we're going to start referring to people by the rank/class they fall under as you've so sweetly given me the name Bronzie (the "ie" is super cute), I think I have an appropriate one for you too Douchie. Have a terrible night full of your worst nightmares sweetie :)

Provengreil2 votes

So you addressed wards and....ALMOST addressed that several of your team were fighting alongside you at the final push, but really didn't.

What about the tone of your posts here? It's like that guy that thought his use of "kiddo" was the problem. DESTORYED is not the problem on its own, it's the tone of the whole post. That whole "sick glee" thing I mentioned. So i'll ask it in the most direct fashion that I can.

Do you like to extend games to increase your KDA, continue to dominate a game you know you could finish, or internally gloat over your own teammates? If yes, you have to realize that other players can tell and are rejecting you for it, and if no, stop typing and look at your posts critically, because that's how you sound and probably how you sounded in this game.

Malix Farwin4 votes

Congratulations! You have won the dumbest post of the month reward. Please report to your local mental facility for your reward.

Ice Weasel X4 votes

I'll say this right now. I hate to surrender. 10 kills down at 20 minutes? Hell no, that's recoverable. Our Nexus turrets are under attack and we're aced? Still no, they earned their win, so let them have the satisfaction of completion.

I don't like giving up even when far behind. If you refuse to play from behind, it's a waste of practice. Playing a losing game also doesn't necessarily mean the game isn't fun.

Removing the ability to surrender? Nope. No agreement here. While I personally don't like to do it, if my entire team wants to give up, they should definitely be allowed to outvote me.

blkh11 votes

I have been on the winning end of games where we were 30+ kills down. You can come back, but if you are all disheartened, then it is time to call it quits. I HATE to surrender, rarely do. I know what you mean.

Bears Dont Care3 votes

Posting ina troll topic

Stacona3 votes

The surrender timer i feel should be lowered to like 15 minutes - because there are quite a bit of games which are not fun and i just want to move on and do something else; i dont want to sit in a lost game for any longer to be in fking hell

IcyPepper2 votes

Uh, no. Since four people need to vote yes to surrender, it's very very very fair. If you can't deal with that, maybe you shouldn't be playing pvp and should stick to pve games where you don't have to interact with other people and interfere with their fun or force unfun on them.

Epitaphfire1 votes

Fact remains what you said is ill thought out, it isn't fair, when someone can start a premade and just wait for one person to get in their queue for the sole purpose of trolling, that isn't fair, a premade group of 4 should only count as a single vote, so that when they try and troll that last person, they're unable to do so

IcyPepper1 votes

Well that's just people being dicks, that's not an issue with the system itself.

The Queen Viper2 votes

You are joking right? or just stupid?

... even if we would remove to surrender, that doesn't stop people from staying in base and letting the enemy push so that the game ends faster.

BakedLotion1 votes

I was in a normal game once, and the other team was like 32 kills ahead of us with all but our nexus destroyed, and they fountain dived us just to troll. Then, we said gg ff now in all chat (jokingly) and they actually surrendered LMAO. They werent a premade 5 either, and it was 5/0 surrender vote

blkh11 votes

This is poetic. He is in the midst of a losing battle. All the turrets are down, the inhibs are smashed, the nexus exposed. We are just simply waiting for him to come out again so we can go at him. He could surrender (delete the post) or he could just take the beating until we decide enough is enough. I know which it will be. He will think himself stronger because of it. But is he?

Provengreil1 votes

I could hug you.

Epitaphfire1 votes

This isn't a battle, to compare it to one shows deep rooted psychological problems, no one is "winning" here Charlie Sheen. If you want to consider me letting this play out as a metaphor for surrender, be my guest :)

FooDang1 votes

Koreans would hate this since most of them play in internet cafes so time played is money spent...they don't want to pay to play a losing game, instead they opt out and surrender @ 20 and start a fresh game...thats why koreans are so aggressive and better @ league...they play to win @ 20 and get to the next game...

zane yalgir1 votes

it is never used right. games that should be ff are "NEVER SURRENDER" and then there are the wins like you had "lol we won lol not"

whats this league of legends you speak of...

cause i know ive been playing league of trolls

Critmaster Garen1 votes

this is a statisfying read. i love it when teemos get dunked.

the troll gets trolled.

Epitaphfire1 votes

The statement of a halfwit at its best lol.

Icestar11861 votes

That one game is nonrepresentative of games as a whole. Your sample size is 1. I can think of at least 10 games that I wanted to surrender because they stopped being fun.

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