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@RiotRepertoir Will Karma ever get looked at again?

Shiiiro·8/13/2015, 1:28:02 AM·5 votes·2,506 views

I feel like her role as either a mid lane or support is really...lacking. She's good at neither:

  • As a mid lane, she's too focused on one spell to dish out damage and feels limited by her mantras. E also lost its damage.
  • As a support, she falls off heavily behind other supports who have hard cc because she needs AP to fully function.

Having only one mantra charge severely limits her choices. She can really only use two mantras at best in one team fight.

Distributing the power to her other two abilities would be nice. She's too dependent on mantra'd Q to deal damage as a mage.

Her mantra'd spells also lack the oomph to make mantra feel like an actual ultimate.

17 Comments

RiotRiotRepertoir8/13/2015, 5:53:36 AM5 votes

I don't know that there's currently a plan to look at Karma again, but really that just means she's not scheduled for a big update, and something smaller is possible. Though I know they play differently, Karma seems to fall into the Sona/Nami/Lulu boat of supports that are all just generally good at supporting, but don't really excel at any one thing over the others. Now, you could argue any of their power level or more niche specialties, but I think the overlap is generally there.

As someone who seems to be interested in Karma, what do you think she should excel at over the other available mage/support options?

luckeyjoker8/13/2015, 1:09:20 PM1 votes

What does skarma have over other support/mage... notthing really. Once again the best thing going for her is her mantra shield but as for aoe shielding I'd give that to sona and lux who does it more often and sona having a better shield and ms combination than skarma. That being said the ups of skarma vs sona's and lux is using it after someone initiate a fight whether it be enemy or allies's spell it's nice in that moment. It's a weak disengage spell but it still does it job and is no chase spell but a close in after someone cc the enemy. However the shield and ms boost itself is rather weak. The team comps I see her in are tanky fast/ms team comp. She doesn't stand out because unlike Janna, lulu, nami, sona, lux, ori, annie, brand, lissandra, zyra, and morgana (unfair to put her in but I feel like skarma and morg falls in the same role) they have something to make big play_s_ for their team while skarma pokes from behind with the occasional snare.

OverpoweredSoap8/13/2015, 5:44:36 PM1 votes

The thing I dislike about the recent changes is that Riot removed the extra damage from Mantra W.

It really fucked up her dueling potential.

PowHammer8/14/2015, 2:57:33 AM1 votes

Even as I loved the old Karma, I'm pretty grateful for her rework. Thank you. We got to keep the fans though her dance, the Shield BOMB (for a while) and even a dress for her Traditional Skin - I preferred the first proposal tho. I'm faaar from a pro, but I got a lot of games as Karma under my belt and she is my favourite champ/main.

Do not think you got the idea from me, but I actually mentioned that hitting other champs with spells should decrease the CD on her R, when Riot asked for our opinions/ideas on how to improve her some years ago. This should be an passive to her R. Who will read the long description!? Its not like a lot of other champs don't got passives to their active skills. I've no idea what her new Passive could be tho.

I mostly play her as support, but even in solo lane I'm fine with both Q and E. Gutting some damage from W kinda blows. The self healing have saved me so many times and make trades possible, but it's still lacklustre with the longer root duration. And why can't we use it on allies? Make it more supportive/exciting (while still damaging, healing, revealing and snaring).

  • You do not want the link to heal your team, maybe have Karma take some damage for the shared partner?
  • Stealth allies or maybe make them a clone of you? Like the opposite of revealing.
  • Heal those attacking the rooted?
  • Making targeted allies able to cast it onto an enemy themselves - use it on frontliner, have frontliner throw it at enemies for you. Edit: If all Karma really got is poke...let her target allies with W and let it increase the range and/or damage on their attacks

I don't know... I am tired, 04:54AM over here.

Think I just want her old splash arts upgraded and a Djinni Karma skin. Never seen anyone use Malz's tho.