Y'know what really gets my goat?

Aria·Jun 21, 2018·6 votes·1,551 views

La Chupacabra.

But also, fucking point and click CC. Remove it from the game. Outright remove it. Please. Malzahar's ult can be a suppress, but make it a skillshot equivalent to Warwick's ult. He has to land it now, why does Malzahar get to say "fuck you" to one dude in a teamfight and 100% guarantee a kill? Garbage game mechanics right there.

Get Maokai out of my face. Make him more skillful to play.

Ryze especially. Low cooldown point-and-click root? Bro the fuck are you smoking?

It has counterplay, you have ways of not getting fucked by it, yes. I'm not saying it's OP bullshit, I'm saying it's unfun, unskilled bullshit. Nothing about a Malzahar's skill level is expressed when he just ults and fucks you, yet to get the same effect off with WW you at least need to land your long ass leap and if you don't? You get PUNISHED for it.

Point and click CC is not risk versus reward, it's all the reward and none of the risk. WW will likely die if he misses his ult and dives into 5 people, he fucked up his engage and is getting punished for it.

The argument "but mobility creep!" can be made but this is still outplayed by skillshot CC. Ahri's Charm catches out people dashing and can be used so effectively to shut down mobility if you just AIM IT RIGHT AND PREDICT, WHICH IS A SKILL-EXPRESSIVE WAY OF COUNTERING YOUR OPPONENT'S PLAYS. Seriously. It's the most unfun thing in the entire game for me and it needs to be fucking looked at.

Point and click abilities are fine, but CC? JFC get it out of the game pls.

21 Comments

AmocJun 21, 20184 votes

Point and click CC is necessary, otherwise we'd have champs like Zed Fizz MasterYi Yasuo being even more obnoxious to play against than they already are.

Point and click abilities are fine, but not CC? That's hilarious.

Think before you make suggestions like that.

TeslynJun 21, 20183 votes

The way you talk .. you sound like a person that plays assassins.. and doesnt carry a pink ward with you.

NyarlathοtepJun 21, 2018

But he is xD. Go check his profile.

AriaJun 21, 20181 votes

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But he is xD. Go check his profile.

I've recently played assassins and whenever I play Zed, I do in fact, ban Malzahar and don't face Ryze either. Even if I do, his snare won't do much to me, he cannot kill me before it's over if I have shadow up and I'm not saying assassins are fine.

It feels like absolute trash to get oneshot by assassins, and it feels even worse to feel useless just because the enemy can move/dash/blink away from whatever you do.

However, PLEASE. PLEASE look at my warding score. Please look at my replays. Whenever I'm in base, I buy about two control wards if I can afford it. Vision wins games and I know and spam this. Furthermore, this wasn't me complaining that assassins were underpowered nor unviable because HURR DURR point and click CC, I only stated it's unfun.

That's it. Bad game design. Not overpowered, not broken, not infuriating, unfun. That is what I called it.

I mostly play control mages who can be bursty like Ahri, though.

NyarlathοtepJun 21, 20181 votes

Bad game design.

No its called necessary evil. And ahri isnt a control mage. She is a burst mage. Every mage has a decree of burst. Control mages have low burst. Ahri has high.

Alex h8721Jun 21, 20181 votes

Not necessarily, I'd consider Orianna Viktor control mages and their burst is at least medium level.

NyarlathοtepJun 21, 2018

I compare their burst to dedicated burst mages. Which is low.

Jinzo TorranceJun 21, 20182 votes

Someone is getting outplayed

AptestJun 21, 20182 votes

please suggest a way of making Zed's R fail to function. Then we talk

AriaJun 21, 20181 votes

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please suggest a way of making Zed's R fail to function. Then we talk

Zhonya's. Every champion with invulnerability periods. CC'ing him immediately after he ults. Charming a Zed who is about to ult you as Ahri is literally the easiest thing. He pops up behind you 100% of the time, ready to shoot charm behind you and launch it as the third shadow on the X animation comes in. Time it right and you'll be able to oneshot him instead (with enough damage items).

Zed needs a nerf, but his ultimate isn't the worst thing ever, it can be played against in some ways.

HalcyonDwellerJun 21, 20182 votes

If you want to delete point and click CC then I get to delete champions whos only counter is point and click cc. Such as master Yi or Zed.

AriaJun 21, 20181 votes

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If you want to delete point and click CC then I get to delete champions whos only counter is point and click cc. Such as master Yi or Zed.

Zed needs a nerf, but Yi? Idk, I don't play him or against him, so I cannot give you my piece of mind on this. Zed however, does need a nerf. I do play him often, and I want him nerfed. It doesn't feel fun nor fair to win with champions like Zed when you're ahead, because you'll delete everything regardless of skill. However, when you're going even with someone else as Zed and manage to outplay them, it really feels nice.

That said, I agree. I want the removal of both oneshots and point and click CC, honestly.

HalcyonDwellerJun 21, 20181 votes

It's not one-shots that make them a problem, it's the way they become so untouchable while still being able to wreck opponents. Being a stat stick is only okay if the means to deal with stat sticks are accessible to everyone else.

I Support SolarJun 21, 20182 votes

This would make dash-n'-kill spam even more oppressive. Reacting to another player is a lot harder than being the player doing the dashing. You don't need to make the stun a skillshot on top of that. Reflexes are already being tested.
Bad players are allowed to play the game and have fun too. Annie is a perfectly good champion that a bronze player can pick up easily and have fun with. A lot of people just aren't coordinated enough to play the "mad skillz" champions.
Also, most of the point and click champs have a lot less range or a lot less options anyway. They aren't usually played in higher level games, except as niche.

five oh tree Jun 21, 20181 votes

Ranged point-click hard cc is pretty aids, yes. I don't really have a problem with something such as, say, Skarner ult, because he has to be right next to you so it wouldn't matter anyway.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂJun 21, 20181 votes

I would take a 1 second CD root/stun over an assassin leaping half the screen to one shot me with not risk any day of the week(looks at lb,zed,fizz,yas,wu and others). KAT MAIN BTW and i still fucking hate the assassin meta.

Colton147Jun 21, 20181 votes

Annie item 3070

KarunamonJun 21, 20181 votes

You know what really gets my goat?

Soraka

NyarlathοtepJun 21, 2018

He has to land it now, why does Malzahar get to say "fuck you" to one dude in a teamfight and 100% guarantee a kill?

I have multiple questions. First, assuming you arent squishy, why the fuck do you mind it? Now assuming you are squishy, why the fuck you are in range? Second, why the fuck you dont have qss, assuming you can buy it. Third, how the fuck its a 100% kill? Like where you alone and you ended up getting ganged up? Because thats your fault not riot's for making his ulti point and click.

Ryze especially. Low cooldown point-and-click root? Bro the fuck are you smoking?

Idk if you have heard it but he is getting a mini rework and they want to change his snare. Or rather change the circumstances at which it snares.

I'm not saying it's OP bullshit, I'm saying it's unfun, unskilled bullshit/The argument "but mobility creep!" can be made but this is still outplayed by skillshot CC. Ahri's Charm catches out people dashing and can be used so effectively to shut down mobility if you just AIM IT RIGHT AND PREDICT

I prefer the word, necessary evil. And before you start spouting nonsense, point and click cc needs to exist otherwise hypermobile champs would be a nightmare to face. And dont you fucking dare to say "BUT I HAVE CHARMED HYPER MOBILE CHAMPS HERP DERP ITS EASY" because its not. Its easily one of the worst feelings of being forced to use your spells only to farm because the enemy has all the mobility to outright dodge your skillshots. Like tell me right here right now, how do you charm a vayne when her q is up (lets say she is far away around 900 range)? You aim at her current location? She has enough time to simply q sideways to evade it. You aim her possible future location? She wont take any actions then. You will also look like an idiot.

Removing point and click cc would mean that every hypermobile champ (riven,yi,katarina,fizz,akali,irelia, kalista, yasuo,vayne) would get a significant buff and thats a no-no.

WHICH IS A SKILL-EXPRESSIVE WAY OF COUNTERING YOUR OPPONENT'S PLAYS.

For the enemy. The enemy can react in accordance to your skillshot. He can (provided he has the distance to process the situation) sidestep the skillshot. You can't alter its direction when it travels.

Overall solid downvote for me. Just another low rank player being unable to accept little but important facts.

AriaJun 21, 20182 votes

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I have multiple questions. First, assuming you arent squishy, why the fuck do you mind it? Now assuming you are squishy, why the fuck you are in range? Second, why the fuck you dont have qss, assuming you can buy it. Third, how the fuck its a 100% kill? Like where you alone and you ended up getting ganged up? Because thats your fault not riot's for making his ulti point and click.

Idk if you have heard it but he is getting a mini rework and they want to change his snare. Or rather change the circumstances at which it snares.

I prefer the word, necessary evil. And before you start spouting nonsense, point and click cc needs to exist otherwise hypermobile champs would be a nightmare to face. And dont you fucking dare to say "BUT I HAVE CHARMED HYPER MOBILE CHAMPS HERP DERP ITS EASY" because its not. Its easily one of the worst feelings of being forced to use your spells only to farm because the enemy has all the mobility to outright dodge your skillshots. Like tell me right here right now, how do you charm a vayne when her q is up (lets say she is far away around 900 range)? You aim at her current location? She has enough time to simply q sideways to evade it. You aim her possible future location? She wont take any actions then. You will also look like an idiot.

Removing point and click cc would mean that every hypermobile champ (riven,yi,katarina,fizz,akali,irelia, kalista, yasuo,vayne) would get a significant buff and thats a no-no.

For the enemy. The enemy can react in accordance to your skillshot. He can (provided he has the distance to process the situation) sidestep the skillshot. You can't alter its direction when it travels.

Overall solid downvote for me. Just another low rank player being unable to accept little but important facts.

Ahem. Not to be technical, but charming an R+Q Vayne isn't difficult provided you're playing True Assassin Ahri (as in, you buy Oracle Lens to sweep the sides when you come into a fight. You want to approach fights from the side if you do this and clear wards up first, then go in. However, it can be used to see Vayne.) (This is a joke, I realize it's unlikely to happen.)

Now, a specific item isn't a counter to a champion nor mobility, I know this. I realize that point-and-click CC is perhaps a necessary evil in some cases, but I would still argue it should never be at range. Ranged point and click CC shouldn't exist. Skarner is fine, Malzahar not so much still.

Your argument of calling me a low rank player to dissuade my argument doesn't work because I'm not arguing that these abilities are overpowered nor that I cannot play against them. I'm simply saying they're unfun to play against in every scenario and I never enjoy myself when doing so, even when ahead.

I agree. Hyper-mobility needs answers, it's toxic as all shit and never fun to play against. But neither is point and click CC, even though I do agree it's much less of a problem than mobility. However, nobody says that point-and-click CC is the ONLY answer we could have to hyper mobility. An AD Zhonya's, for one, would be the first step to playing around hyper mobility, and more invulnerability periods or shields could certainly help. Lux is, in theory, supposed to absolutely feed the Zed and do nothing against him and, true enough, landing the Q is neigh impossible. But run barrier and add her own shield to it, and she'll outright tank his damage.

Barriers, knockbacks (think Syndra's knockback. It's not point and click but it'll get Zed off of you easily, same with Yi.), there's hundreds of answers we could look at. Surely, point and click CC isn't the only way. Argue it's a necessary evil all you'd like, but in the end, I'd say there could be less evil necessities to deal with mobility.

Additionally, keeping Malzahar at range is not always possible. He can build Spellbinder and just chase me down, and mispositioning happens even in Master tier games, so you'll get caught out eventually. In a teamfight, if he hits his R, you're dead. Perhaps add some more reliable damage to the rest of his kit, but make him able to miss his ult. Saying "don't get hit by the ability" isn't a proper argument to say it's perfectly balanced.

NyarlathοtepJun 21, 2018

Ahem. Not to be technical, but charming an R+Q Vayne isn't difficult provided you're playing True Assassin Ahri

But ahri isnt an assassins :/. And how come charming a vayne when she has q isnt difficult? Ignore the fact that she can go invisible, if vayne has a brain she will dash only if she sees your charm coming her way.

Malzahar not so much still.

Yes it is. Considering his whole kit. He is supposed to heavily counter mobile champs. Thus his ulti.

Your argument of calling me a low rank player

Wanna know why i called your rank? See below.

An AD Zhonya's, for one

Ad's have access to g.a. An item that literally saves you if you die (and regens mana too). Hell you dont even know why ad' dont have access to zhonyas. Ad have higher sustained damage than ap ones. As such mages have access to zhonyas where they can get their cds safely. Ad dont need it since they can always pump out damage.

and more invulnerability periods or shields could certainly help.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. For a while, the community hated shields because they have no counterplay besides the "deal more damage" as such more shields (especially now where they got a bit nerfed) would result in an influx of hate. And for good reason. Shields feel awful to play against when they are in big quantity. For invulnerability see above.