Let me get this straight about the possible upcoming jungle NERF.

TastyDragon·Jan 24, 2015·20 votes·2,105 views

So, the problem is level 1 first blood potentially putting one jungler too far ahead of the other and creating the dreaded snowballing situation. Instead of, say, reducing First Blood reward to under 350g for the first two and a half minutes, resulting in better balance for level 1 first blood in ALL roles, not just jungle... All but the most sustain-laden champions are being severely punished with an even higher gold cost to something they desperately need to survive in the jungle as it is.

First, many old junglers were pushed out of viability due to kits that can't handle the current jungle, and Riot won't bother tweaking those champions to better survive in the jungle only (by, say, adding monster-specific damage bonuses). No, it's the jungle that's the problem, never the champions that thrive in it! And then jungler items got changed. And then made more expensive. And made more expensive again.

Riot, are you trying to gradually force the jungle to become solely an income supplement for laners? At this rate, it won't even be the end of the season before it's more efficient to have two champions top lane and no jungler. Or at the very least, the jungler will eventually require being babied almost as much as a marksman. Stop jumping to conclusions. Stop thinking the first solution is the best solution.

There is no way any sane person could have looked at ALL the available options and said: "Yup, nerfing an already-weakened role is the best course of action for the health of the game!" And if this is indeed what is to be, I will be expecting buffs as compensation for many of the jungling champions who lack persistent sustain.

16 Comments

Miku Lv99Jan 24, 20159 votes

It's okay, they just need to nerf all the other roles like crazy so that the jungler isn't that much worse off than them. And then we're back to where we started lol.

Duke AnaxJan 24, 20152 votes

I'm starting to suspect that they wanna nerf Summoenrs Rift to a 60+ minute game so that more people start playing the faster modes...

LearndingJan 24, 20151 votes

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I'm starting to suspect that they wanna nerf Summoenrs Rift to a 60+ minute game so that more people start playing the faster modes...

That is the most convoluted thing I've probably ever seen someone type. If that was the case, URF mode would of been live years ago.

Kuroi86Jan 24, 20153 votes

First, many old junglers were pushed out of viability due to kits that can't handle the current jungle, and Riot won't bother tweaking those champions to better survive in the jungle

Is this why Riot has been nerfing high sustain junglers ( Fiddlesticks Pantheon Warwick ) While buffing numerous other junglers both in 4.21 and 5.1?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-421-notes#patch-champions

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-51-notes#patch-champions

zliplusJan 24, 20152 votes

If you can't get 450g on first back, you're doing jungle wrong (or you're doing something advanced like invading/early gank). It only takes 3 camps to hit 450g.

KingsgraveJan 24, 20155 votes

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If you can't get 450g on first back, you're doing jungle wrong (or you're doing something advanced like invading/early gank). It only takes 3 camps to hit 450g.

Most junglers can't clear more than 2 camps without having to back.

corbear007Jan 24, 20153 votes

Like he said, you're doing something wrong i main sej and can do a full clear, amu? I can take 4 camps It's new masteries and runes + routes, as sej i start golems(smite) raptors red(smite) blue gromp (smite) and thats if i don't need to Gank or i go to wolves and gank, amu i start tantrum at golems, same process but incapable of ganking after wolves due to oom, most jungle routes need red asap for hp boost where i see people still to this day start blue over gromp (99% of the time better choice on gromp) messed with my rune page a bit and i clear fine

zliplusJan 24, 20155 votes

I don't know if you're not getting a leash at all, or not using enough armor runes, or not smiting correctly, but you really should be able to do 3 camps. I can get 4 and then still gank on rammus or sejuani, for example.

GeldzakkenJan 24, 20151 votes

As Nautilus, I can clear red, blue, gromp, wolves, and raptors before backing for my item 3715 and if im lucky pick up my item 3117 All a good jungler needs is a red or blue leash and youre set

ProfDrDeathJan 24, 20151 votes

Most junglers can't clear more than 2 camps without having to back if they play it wrong/rune-and-mastery wrong.

There, fixed that.

I just tried it on live, without any leashes: By doing both buffs and a camp, you get 450 gold. By doing a buff and two camps, you get around 400 gold, meaning you'd need to do an extra camp. But, almost every jungler should be able to do that. If not, they should probably do the 2-buff route, and remember to SMITE RED BUFF. That thing is like a health potion for free.

Only Play DariusJan 24, 20151 votes

Ever tried playing squishy junglers (Nocturne, Evelynn)? The third camp will kill you unless you spam all your abilities, use all your health potions, AND fill your rune page with armor bonuses.

zliplusJan 24, 20151 votes

I just went into a custom and did Eve jungle. 3 camps done at 3:17 back with 477 gold. Health dropped lower than I'd like (compared to my usual champs), but never crazy low. Would be dangerous if enemy invaded, but hey you have a ward right?

Also, since I was alone I had no leash.

Second edit: I didn't try Nocturne because I apparently don't have him.

Kitten of EvilJan 25, 20151 votes

Really? You have difficulty sustaining with Noc? I always go Frog (smite), blue, wolves, red (smite) and I still have enough to handle rock golems too. What runes are you using? Attack speed is a must with him since otherwise you don't proc your passive heal as often.

Honestly, he's probably my favorite jungler at the moment precisely because he has a great deal of sustain. Also, dat ult.

catravenJan 24, 20152 votes

idk why the mobs in jgl are so hard... what's the point? even if laners could get them so what? they miss out on lane and deny jglers their monsters. I don't even get why it has to be hard. if jglers can get through it quickly so what? they are fed no different than top tping bot or mid.

B3ERJan 24, 20151 votes

In the words of the mighty James Bond: Rito es stupido.

100uJan 24, 20151 votes

I just get tired of all the nerfing they do in general. I mean, I understand the need to keep an eye on the power creep, but it's kinda lame to see nerf after nerf after nerf every patch. It's to the point now where you fix a bug and a champ starts working as you intended and people rejoice because it's the closest thing to a buff anyone's seen in 6 patches.

And soo heavy handed...you see a champion is particularly strong with a certain item, and you decide to nerf, or outright remove the item, AND you slap the champion with nerfs as well. As a player it feels like you won't be happy until the only difference between champions is this one is pink and that one is blue. This one's a boy and that one's a girl.

#empowerchamps2015