Kog-lulu combo is unbalanced and has no counterplay unless your entire team stomped enemies

AleksaTeemo·1/22/2018, 12:01:28 PM·40 votes·4,434 views

Enemy kog maw went 0/5 but just got rage blade and completly destroyed us,while we couldnt get to him thanks to lulu.Like what am i supposed to do?

40 Comments

Apocalypsic1/22/2018, 9:17:21 PM23 votes

I think the fact that an entire class of champions exists to remove the counterplay and weaknesses of another class is asinine.

Jamaree1/22/2018, 12:15:51 PM19 votes

I think the 11/6 Jarvan and 9/3 Shyvana to your 3/10 Yasou were more a problem honestly.

ISLAMICWARRIOR991/22/2018, 10:27:58 PM9 votes

Probably because lulu is one of the most broken champs in the game just everyone is too busy crying because marksmen aren't totally useless.

PePsiLemoNN1/23/2018, 12:15:42 PM9 votes

Vayne does the same thing but doesn't need Lulu LUL

Athenes Lulu1/23/2018, 2:18:41 AM9 votes

you kill lulu first and hope she's stupid enough to get caught in an AoE with him

that's pretty much the only counterplay and im not even kidding

bonus: if lulu isnt doing that shes also "stupid" and/or trolling and you hope she does that

Naalith1/23/2018, 2:15:11 AM5 votes

You just have to shut him down before you hit late game you dummy. Try to siege enemy nexus by 5 minutes next time.

rip john shelby1/22/2018, 4:26:08 PM5 votes

quit champion select next time

Ahri Baka1/22/2018, 7:53:49 PM2 votes

Ikr , Kog is already broken , but having a Lulu with him is a nightmare and if you are a fed assassin and try to 1 shoot him , the moment you get closer , Lulu will w you and Kog will do the rest , and if you survive the time when you were silenced , she will ult him to cc you again

DemainaNyx1/24/2018, 10:12:07 AM2 votes

Kog and Lulu are a team fighting comps best asset. You beat team fighting comps by split pushing. Not you specifically, but your team. Lulu and Kog can't be in every lane at once, so you'll always be able to do something in the lanes they aren't in.

The alternative to that is you kill the Lulu so Kog loses his defense. Had a game where I was Zilean, and the enemy Zed used everything on me because then I'd have to either ult myself or die, which accomplishes the same goal of preventing me from using my ult on a carry. Force me to buy Zhonya's on Zilean support so I could save my ult for someone more important. If a Lulu is ulting herself to stay alive, then Kog will be more vulnerable.

Iffy Jarl1/23/2018, 7:41:42 AM1 votes

If their bot lane is feeding I would assume yours was fed so I'm not really understanding where your bot lane lands in this equation

doubleguac1/22/2018, 5:03:57 PM1 votes

I think the upcoming Targons changes will help.

Kog has insane natural damage, so he probably gives up less dps than he should by going targons. The shield makes him much harder to dive. A lot of his core items (aside from rageblade) aren't that expensive, and the extra gold mitigates the cost of targons really quickly.

Losing that shield (or giving it a higher opportunity cost) will probably make him feel fairer to play against.

That being said, I do think shield stacking is a larger problem that Riot is going to have to address at some point. Lifesteal means that ADCs are already basically immune to poke in the mid late game. Burst/dive should be a vulnerability for the class, but it's getting circumvented too easily right now by support items and shield stacking.

Longtowel1/24/2018, 2:05:24 AM1 votes

I was having trouble with this as well for a bit, playing as an assassin trying to cut through the ADC + peel supp comp.

Then I realised, that's technically a 1v2!

You need the help of your team to take out their ADC, and when you do, that's a win for you! So you can't expect it to work out every game, but its definitely doable.

If you're fighting Lulu + Kog, CCing the Lulu first could really help! If you silence Lulu or stun her for a good part of a second, then the assassin has a full second of unrestricted access to Kog, who has 0 self peel and is really squishy. Assuming the rest of the team isn't peeling of course.

And also, remember that if you put all of your damage onto Kogmaw, Lulu can use her ult, shield, Locket, and all the rest of it, to keep Kog alive. If you managed to instakill Lulu in a CC chain, then all of these supportive skills go to waste! It might make killing Kog easier.

I had a game where the enemy has a god tier supp Janna, that just keeps ruining our efforts to take out the enemy ADC. But we decided to switch up and had talon insta burst Janna instead. Janna was saving ult in case someone jumps Kog, but dies to Talon burst because she didn't see it coming. Kog kills our Talon quickly, but our toplane J4 was able to ult into Kog and kill him with no problems since Janna couldn't shield knockup and ult.

Just a thought. Not sure how high elo players deal with this but at lower elos, its really helpful to coordinate with the team to kill the enemy adc.