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I've found a solution how to balance mid vs supp Zyra.

Lesbian Zyra·4/26/2015, 2:36:52 AM·4 votes·1,827 views
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Hey Summoners,

currently Zyra sits at 90% pick as a support. This idea is to bring mid Zyra back from the bottom or at least to balance her pick rate between supp vs mid. I was really mad when riot changed her recommended items, because I don't play her as support from S4/S5. It's my principle after the nerf in S3...

She has 51% win/rate, but thats because of her support role. Her mid lane role is worse, cause of her high risk pick and low reward. The problem is her support role is balanced, but her mid is little bit up. It is hard to buff her and to do not affect her support role since we all know what supp Zyra did in S3.

I've tried to find a solution for almost 2 years. S5 has bringed more pain for mid Zyra, because junglers have 1 more cc for ganks (slow smite) -.-

DISCUSSION

Link provides a whole discussion about mid Zyra vs supp Zyra.

I've discussed with Lynléíre and I found a solution. She wrote Zyra is high risky champion with low reward.

There is my solution for mid Zyra Mid Zyra kills creeps. Support doesn't. Every 100th creep (kill counts as 10 cs) will give 10% ap buff to Zyra. Since Zyra is ravenous plant it makes even sence. Ofc we can change the numbers, but this is basic idea.

MID ZYRA IS OP (nope)

I know everyone of you will start blame for that mid Zyra is balanced or even OP. Trust me, because I've played her from S2. I have many games with mid Zyra and her mid role has low reward till HARD late game. I've played almost against every champ in mid lane. Everyone of them had same situation. They had higher reward then Zyra. Azir's soldiers does 2x more dmg. Annie - flash bear stun tactic. Ori needs only chalice + raba. Viktor killed me only with Q+E. It was 500 ap vs 500 ap. LB with 500 ap bursts anything. Xerath is manaless and has higher range then Zyra + dmg. Lux has higher dmg too (i've tried it). I know every champions is unique, but all mid-apc champions should have good dmg with feed.

MASK IS A LIE

Please do not count item 3151 damage if you think Zyra has the biggest dmg. Plants + aoe proc this dot a lot of time. Mask adds tons of damage dealt in to the graph, but truth is that she is sustain dmg. Mask pokes tanks with sustain/shields etc. so this number gets bigger and bigger. Try to build Zyra without a mask and you will see a difference. I've started to build burst instead of sustain dmg. So I feel like apc Zyra once again.

Your Zyra x Lissandra ship ❤ FB

Edit: If you don't like my idea, then bring your own idea how to increase mid Zyra pick rate instead of supp Zyra.

Edit 2: 2nd idea how to buff her

Ofc this will bring her back as apc mid. You wrote she has low reward. So tell me what do you mean? I can see a difference between fed early/mid Zyra and other champions.

If you will decrease cd for R, you will buff supp Zyra too. Look... i guess we are trying to find solution to give mid role higher pickrate then current situation. (90% players are supp Zyra -.-)

And the real difference between supp Zyra and mid Zyra is csing. There is a good way to do not affect supp Zyra. If you do not want to buff her ap rations, dmg, etc. so what do you want to do? Shorter cd will bring her more utility. We can change that idea to buff for plants. The more Zyra has stacks, the stronger plants she will get.

So there is a second idea. Every 100 cs (kill counts as 10) will increase plants as by 20%. And maybe it can decrease R's cd by 5%

17 Comments

Nick Valentine4/26/2015, 3:06:05 AM2 votes

She was gutted as a mid laner because she dealt too much damage and brought insane CC. By giving her ap you give her the damage back and she's going to receive even harder cuts to her utility.

If I want any quality of life for Zyra is that her W scales her movement speed like Janna so she can be exceptionally safer as a mage.

Cupidly4/26/2015, 1:04:29 PM2 votes

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Hey Summoners,

currently Zyra sits at 90% pick as a support. This idea is to bring mid Zyra back from the bottom or at least to balance her pick rate between supp vs mid. I was really mad when riot changed her recommended items, because I don't play her as support from S4/S5. It's my principle after the nerf in S3...

She has 51% win/rate, but thats because of her support role. Her mid lane role is worse, cause of her high risk pick and low reward. The problem is her support role is balanced, but her mid is little bit up. It is hard to buff her and to do not affect her support role since we all know what supp Zyra did in S3.

I've tried to find a solution for almost 2 years. S5 has bringed more pain for mid Zyra, because junglers have 1 more cc for ganks (slow smite) -.-

DISCUSSION

Link provides a whole discussion about mid Zyra vs supp Zyra.

I've discussed with Lynléíre and I found a solution. She wrote Zyra is high risky champion with low reward.

There is my solution for mid Zyra Mid Zyra kills creeps. Support doesn't. Every 100th creep (kill counts as 10 cs) will give 10% ap buff to Zyra. Since Zyra is ravenous plant it makes even sence. Ofc we can change the numbers, but this is basic idea.

MID ZYRA IS OP (nope)

I know everyone of you will start blame for that mid Zyra is balanced or even OP. Trust me, because I've played her from S2. I have many games with mid Zyra and her mid role has low reward till HARD late game. I've played almost against every champ in mid lane. Everyone of them had same situation. They had higher reward then Zyra. Azir's soldiers does 2x more dmg. Annie - flash bear stun tactic. Ori needs only chalice + raba. Viktor killed me only with Q+E. It was 500 ap vs 500 ap. LB with 500 ap bursts anything. Xerath is manaless and has higher range then Zyra + dmg. Lux has higher dmg too (i've tried it). I know every champions is unique, but all mid-apc champions should have good dmg with feed.

MASK IS A LIE

Please do not count item 3151 damage if you think Zyra has the biggest dmg. Plants + aoe proc this dot a lot of time. Mask adds tons of damage dealt in to the graph, but truth is that she is sustain dmg. Mask pokes tanks with sustain/shields etc. so this number gets bigger and bigger. Try to build Zyra without a mask and you will see a difference. I've started to build burst instead of sustain dmg. So I feel like apc Zyra once again.

Your Zyra x Lissandra ship ❤ FB

Edit: If you don't like my idea, then bring your own idea how to increase mid Zyra pick rate instead of supp Zyra.

Bless your soul for making this post. Zyra really does need a rework or a major buff. I've been playing her since season two as well, and her nerfs, especially in the current meta make her extremely vulnerable. She is far too slow for her own good. I especially have a problem with her "E". In season 2 when she was just released, the movement speed for her E was 1400, now it has been reduced to what? 900? (ridiculous)

To those who are saying she's OP as a support, you people are just sour for god knows what reason. You try landing a root on vayne, ezreal, lucian and Kalista (especially). The only time I seem to manage to land her snail-like root is when the enemy champion is right in front of my face, oh but wait, within half a second later I'm probably dead (due to Zyra's squishiness).

Trust me, even in Diamond games, her slowness and lack of mobility renders her useless regardless of the multifaceted claims of her 'utility' (whatever). Every single skill of hers requires a delay, that is ridiculous. Riot, you need to do something about this because there are far more OP champions who need a nerf, and nerfing Zyra in the mid-lane was a poor choice. Leaving the abomination known as Sejuani untouched is folly if you ask me.

I love how every single post that talks about Zyra getting a buff has been down-voted. There is a reason why there are posts asking for a Zyra buff right now--simply stated: IT IS BECAUSE SHE NEEDS IT. Why deny the obvious? You people are just bitter.

Please give her a rework or buff. I want Zyra's kit to be able to offer some outplays against assassins in the mid-lane. Goodness gracious.

It Hertz When IP4/26/2015, 2:50:33 AM1 votes

Xerath isn't manaless...

Volt Cruelerz4/26/2015, 2:40:01 AM1 votes

So... basically give her Cass's passive?

Lesbian Zyra4/26/2015, 12:54:00 PM1 votes

2nd idea how to buff her

Ofc this will bring her back as apc mid. You wrote she has low reward. So tell me what do you mean? I can see a difference between fed early/mid Zyra and other champions.

If you will decrease cd for R, you will buff supp Zyra too. Look... i guess we are trying to find solution to give mid role higher pickrate then current situation. (90% players are supp Zyra -.-)

And the real difference between supp Zyra and mid Zyra is csing. There is a good way to do not affect supp Zyra. If you do not want to buff her ap rations, dmg, etc. so what do you want to do? Shorter cd will bring her more utility. We can change that idea to buff for plants. The more Zyra has stacks, the stronger plants she will get.

So there is a second idea. Every 100 cs (kill counts as 10) will increase plants as by 20%. And maybe it can decrease R's cd by 5%

Lesbian Zyra4/26/2015, 6:35:08 PM1 votes

Hey cupidly,

ty for your comment.

Zyra can not be buffed so easily cause of her balanced support (52% winrate), so thats why I'm trying to find a solution to buff only mid Zyra.

It isn't fine when she has 75% pickrate as support. Sure we can buff both roles for her, but it should be more usefull for mid Zyra otherwise we will see only supp Zyra once again.

Btw Mid Zyra has 49%.

Stonington4/26/2015, 2:50:19 AM1 votes

If she's not good. How do you account for her > than 50% winrate in all elos and 53%-52% winrates in Plat and Dia?

Edit: Oh I see. I think she's fine in mid and can break even in any situation. She has a long range farming tool and decent waveclear. There's really nothing wrong with her and I hate the bandwagoning when she's in a good spot.