You say Ivern is a support jungler..

Tormentula··3 votes·2,825 views

Idk, I kinda like the idea of putting him mid lane, placing bushes down for increased range and damage for safer last hitting, and whenever your jungler's blue is up, just take it and let them also get it for standing there. A bit reverse.

Also would be scary if you went top side and took their red; sion passive style, and then ran mid with it for the level 1 harass of the century.

I just can't see the ganks he does great, the bushes are cool but people can see those bushes put down and say "ok, there's ivern.. guess I'll walk to this side of the lane instead". He's basically a 2 ability kit when it comes to ganking and I feel like his ulti will be like malzahar's voidlings, just kited and never getting those 3 hits.

Like, you don't need smite or anything and can still delete camps by doing nothing, whats the point of putting him jungle when he can go anywhere and still be a jungler? Even him as a support seems like a counter jungling annie or as a top laner, a krug/gromp early level 2 stealer.

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Astôlfo1 votes

Just realized it has decent synergy with Caitlyn.

Tormentula1 votes

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Just realized it has decent synergy with Caitlyn.

The bushes only last 30 seconds sadly, they would be stalled out before somebody even thinks to facecheck the bushes (cause thats the smart thing to always do right?). Caits traps would be better off just blocking the lane or river where somebody is walking in them anyway rather than dispositioned for bushes that go away quickly.

Astôlfo2 votes

No I meant, doesn't her headshot thing work with bushes?

Tormentula1 votes

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No I meant, doesn't her headshot thing work with bushes?

If it'll work with his, good question I'm not sure.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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No I meant, doesn't her headshot thing work with bushes?

Yes.

Normal attacks grant 1 headshot stack each.

Attacks from the bush grant 2 each.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

I just can't see the ganks he does great, the bushes are cool but people can see those bushes put down and say "ok, there's ivern.. guess I'll walk to this side of the lane instead"

So you put the brush on the wrong side of the lane and mind game them like riot suggested in the strategy section.

Tormentula1 votes

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I just can't see the ganks he does great, the bushes are cool but people can see those bushes put down and say "ok, there's ivern.. guess I'll walk to this side of the lane instead"

So you put the brush on the wrong side of the lane and mind game them like riot suggested in the strategy section.

Yea, but by the time you walk around the lane (not getting minion vision) the bush would probably be gone giving full vision or the other side would be warded since they already know you're there.

Like if I see an ivern bush I'd probably just ward the opposite side and stick close to there until he shows, or ward the bush he placed to see if he's actually commited to do anything. I would say it waste his time but he's pretty quick with the jungle itself.

I get they want a kindred mark the wrong target mindgame, but it doesn't work so well for this. If they increased the duration of the bush to like a full minute instead, I could see this being a viable strategy in placing these just to scare junglers from facechecking them, thus blocking them off and doing buffs or other objectives meanwhile.

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

_Yea, but by the time you walk around the lane (not getting minion vision) the bush would probably be gone giving full vision or the other side would be warded since they already know you're there. _

That is not how it works. Why are you talking about this when you have no idea how his kit works?

Tormentula1 votes

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That is not how it works. Why are you talking about this when you have no idea how his kit works?

Does anybody?

Boulderox1 votes

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Does anybody?

youtube it, pawnce, pantsaredragon, i've seen two videos on him already... and apparently his q can allow allies to jump to him, not just ivern, but only one.

twtv Apartex1 votes

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Yea, but by the time you walk around the lane (not getting minion vision) the bush would probably be gone giving full vision or the other side would be warded since they already know you're there.

Like if I see an ivern bush I'd probably just ward the opposite side and stick close to there until he shows, or ward the bush he placed to see if he's actually commited to do anything. I would say it waste his time but he's pretty quick with the jungle itself.

I get they want a kindred mark the wrong target mindgame, but it doesn't work so well for this. If they increased the duration of the bush to like a full minute instead, I could see this being a viable strategy in placing these just to scare junglers from facechecking them, thus blocking them off and doing buffs or other objectives meanwhile.

Im pretty sure the range on bush placement is large enough to place across lane so

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