Old Talon
New Talon-
That's about the only thing i like about new talon. Seems like if you pick talon team fights will be 4v5 cause there isn't a really good way for him to entire a fight without dying trying to get close or trading 1 for 1. Kinda wish talon still had cutthroat :/
These just my opinions
Shadòw3 voteshe is pretty strong in jungle teamfights
MunchCrunchLunch3 votesi disagree hes better now. and healthier
FloweyTheFlower1 votesi disagree hes better now. and healthier
elaborate more if you will
LegendmakerGX1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ketsueki Flow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kAZczzQG,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-11-11T23:28:28.537+0000)
elaborate more if you will
Only problem I see is his E which has a cool down of a ultimate to jump over the same wall which is trash and doesn't offer any speed buff or damage surprise buff when used. Old talon there was 0 counter unless your team mate has a reaction time of a sniper to save you before he burst you in under 1.5 sec, most people don't even click zonya fast enough but that is b.s that he did that and after the burst he can ult and run out really fast.
FloweyTheFlower1 votesOnly problem I see is his E which has a cool down of a ultimate to jump over the same wall which is trash and doesn't offer any speed buff or damage surprise buff when used. Old talon there was 0 counter unless your team mate has a reaction time of a sniper to save you before he burst you in under 1.5 sec, most people don't even click zonya fast enough but that is b.s that he did that and after the burst he can ult and run out really fast.
but what about teamfights? he can't never get to the back line nor get near a squishy cause he will get peeled so damn eazy now
LegendmakerGX1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ketsueki Flow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kAZczzQG,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T01:56:25.312+0000)
but what about teamfights? he can't never get to the back line nor get near a squishy cause he will get peeled so damn eazy now
Ya that's a problem i see even with his Q dash which is stupid to do a face check, take out the wall jump or either give it a buff if he uses it. If not then give back talon old W ability to flash auto them.
Ahristocats3 voteshe's healtheir, but not better.
TheGrot2 votesThe problem is that they took away too much from his maneuverability in teamfights. I made a post on this just now. If riot gives him back a bit of compensation, I think he'll be fine.
WhaiiSoSerious2 votesCool story.
Current talon is broken. He's banned all across the board. 2v2/5v5/the crystal scar.
Paige weaver1 votes2v2 isn't a thing for one and for two old talon is better they slowed his burst way to much.
The 2nd Horseman2 votesI'm pretty sure a big point in the rework was that they didn't like how his blades indirectly affected other champions, I mean assassins usually don't enjoy team fights. Also how is a wall hop only a gimmick? He's literally one of the few champions that can use the walls to assassinate targets. As in an ability dedicated to use walls as dashes essentially.
FloweyTheFlower1 votes[{quoted}](name=The 2nd Horseman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kAZczzQG,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-11-12T02:50:08.120+0000)
I'm pretty sure a big point in the rework was that they didn't like how his blades indirectly affected other champions, I mean assassins usually don't enjoy team fights. Also how is a wall hop only a gimmick? He's literally one of the few champions that can use the walls to assassinate targets. As in an ability dedicated to use walls as dashes essentially.
besides roaming does it do anything else?
The 2nd Horseman1 votesWhat does he need out of it that the rest of his kit doesn't give?
FloweyTheFlower1 votes[{quoted}](name=The 2nd Horseman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kAZczzQG,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T03:14:11.681+0000)
What does he need out of it that the rest of his kit doesn't give?
a reliable gap closer his q is shitty
The 2nd Horseman1 votesIt's a 550 targeted dash, how is that shitty when paired with his wall dashes? Would you like to give him percent max health true damage?
FloweyTheFlower2 votes[{quoted}](name=The 2nd Horseman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kAZczzQG,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T05:18:56.688+0000)
It's a 550 targeted dash, how is that shitty when paired with his wall dashes? Would you like to give him percent max health true damage?
its a point and click dash that sucks to compared to a blink
The 2nd Horseman1 votesI don't think you understand that every wall in the game is a dash for you or the fact your ult can no longer be countered by pink wards. How about trying to learn the new kit instead of complaining about it. Also in what ways was the older talon faster when he only had on dash?
FloweyTheFlower1 votes[{quoted}](name=The 2nd Horseman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kAZczzQG,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T17:31:27.220+0000)
I don't think you understand that every wall in the game is a dash for you or the fact your ult can no longer be countered by pink wards. How about trying to learn the new kit instead of complaining about it. Also in what ways was the older talon faster when he only had on dash?
his new kit simple as hell just like his old one but the burst from his old kit was 100% faster that what you have now. If a team is always grouped in 5v5 gl running to possible trade 1 for 1. Plus i've been against talon...having to ult and run towards a target really guarantee a nice swift escape...
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesThe only change I'd like is AA'ing makes the 2nd portion of W converge to that unit additionally.
The rework 100% helped talon but his W does have counterplay so punishing someone hit by the 1st part but blink even closer but out of range should be punishable. We aren't ekko who has a repodition tool so it'd make sense if W worked like ulti where if you land an AA before the duration is over it homes in on that unit instead of on you.
FloweyTheFlower1 votesThe only change I'd like is AA'ing makes the 2nd portion of W converge to that unit additionally.
The rework 100% helped talon but his W does have counterplay so punishing someone hit by the 1st part but blink even closer but out of range should be punishable. We aren't ekko who has a repodition tool so it'd make sense if W worked like ulti where if you land an AA before the duration is over it homes in on that unit instead of on you.
i think it helped his roaming but not his damage. Its to unreliable for an assassin i can legit do more burst damage with ap malphite than talon can
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesIt helped his waveclear and harass from what I'm feeling now you can just clear with 1 button and land first w before they can even touch you. And all-in sooner w/o it being cheese if overstepping happens.
And idk 1 passive proc means death for most squishies from what I seen.
And if not using the remainder skill will ene it. Unlike old talon he can do with his ulti being up due to passive. I still just feel for the delay melee range units need a bit of punishing. Which would fix his only real issue without being oppressive since it's not removing his counterplay but removing the cheese counterplay.
JayenKei1 votesYou gotta play him differently Use walls to reach the carry I personally use ghost to give me more stickiness as well as a way to quickly get to another wall to start hopping W+R+Q+AA is some scary damage
FloweyTheFlower1 votesYou gotta play him differently Use walls to reach the carry I personally use ghost to give me more stickiness as well as a way to quickly get to another wall to start hopping W+R+Q+AA is some scary damage
if the enemy is not stupid they would possibly have wards covering their flanks. cause talon has no other way to enter a fight but with his ult...then die trading 1 for 1
FKU Yasuo 4EVER1 votes
New talon is better at killing enemies in lane. But the main problem is his E, when he ult, he cant e, or else the e will cancel his ult which is useless when chasing down an enemy. [zombie-brand-mindblown]
but his new passive is really helpful*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*
His Q needs to apply on hit effects.
Also his bleed needs to be just stacking to three hits from abilities. Having to Auto attack to get it going is harder then it would seem and costs you a lot because his attack speed SUCKS.
