Why Soraka needs another rework.

Lhostalis·Aug 30, 2015·1 votes·813 views

Just go watch the Regional qualifiers between C9 and TiP. That's all you need to see, there are SOOOOOO many instances where Soraka saves someones life and if any other champion had been that support they would've died. And Riot WTF were you thinking with a GLOBAL HEAL?!?!?!?! Like really, not only does she make any poke completely irrelevant but being able to do it globally!??!?!?!? You've fucked up pretty hard in 5.16 Riot, but seeing that Soraka is still as BS as she always has been is just unforgivable. You're clearly trying to kill off your player base Via stress, stop it. Test champion releases and reworks before you send them out into the real game and LISTEN TO THE PBE FEEDBACK; you'd get far less comments like this.

32 Comments

Purple DeathAug 30, 201511 votes

Soraka cannot heal herself anymore if a team focuses raka she dies almost instantly she is not that good at kiting. She needs a ton of pots in lane. Her entire job is to save lives. Logically she is a very balanced champion the other team could obviously not take advantage of her weaknesses.

XemeronAug 30, 20158 votes

Thresh dominates support plays for years, no problem. Soraka does good for two games "OMG NERF NERF NERF!!!!"

LhostalisSep 1, 20151 votes

The only reason he's dominated is because he brings utility, and requires relatively high mechanics to pull off combos effectively. On the other hand Soraka's an AFK heal bot that has one of the very few silences left, and pretty meaty heal and a global heal/buff. I don't think if something is hard to pull off it should be denied a good reward, but when something is so incredibly easy it shouldn't be as rewarding as the harder of the two tasks.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 1, 20151 votes

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The only reason he's dominated is because he brings utility, and requires relatively high mechanics to pull off combos effectively.

Pushing the QE combo to grab first blood is not "high mechanics".

On the other hand Soraka's an AFK heal bot that has one of the very few silences left, and pretty meaty heal and a global heal/buff. I don't think if something is hard to pull off it should be denied a good reward, but when something is so incredibly easy it shouldn't be as rewarding as the harder of the two tasks.

And you do know Soraka usually suicides herself for each heals she casts? Technically, it was the opposing teams fault for not focusing down the moon goat before engaging on her teammates.

OnegarionSep 1, 20151 votes

Don't you know this is how things work? It doesn't matter about the normal champs that are seen, but the few times a new one does really good one time. Especially one trick ponies like Soraka that is rather useless late game compared to other supports with her heals just not being that great outside of squishies.

DJ Di0Aug 30, 20157 votes

OR, C9 ran a comp who's only damage was 2 immobile AD's that kept getting zoned by Sivir/Shen, allowing Soraka to just heal freely without having to worry about being focused.

AbyssphereAug 30, 20157 votes

Soraka's whole point is saving people that would have died if it weren't for her. That's her whole reason for existing - if she couldn't save people from stuff that Sona couldn't, you'd literally never have a reason to pick her. She doesn't engage well, she doesn't disengage well, and she doesn't poke well. She keeps people alive, it's her niche, and it's fine.

3TWarriorSep 1, 20151 votes

doesn't poke well? if your timing is any good at all, you can knock off most of your lane opponents' hp as soraka and i've seen several matches where the enemy team is more afraid of soraka than the 3-4 kills they just got against the others

chunking a 3rd of your hp every few seconds isn't bad at all, just takes some predicting. Even zilean's bombs aren't as good as soraka pokes

ModAttysu The PoroAug 30, 20156 votes

They already messed up what made Soraka Soraka in her last rework, keep your paws off my Banana Girl.

Linna ExcelAug 30, 20152 votes

What is soraka though?

Some people just want that passive AFK healer. Right now she's a great passive AFK healer.

Fashion MageAug 30, 20152 votes

She's a healer, she's not passive though.

ModAttysu The PoroAug 31, 20151 votes

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What is soraka though?

Some people just want that passive AFK healer. Right now she's a great passive AFK healer.

She used to give mana. She used to be a lane bully. She used to be able to have some type of competence in solo-lanes. Now she's an AFK healer that is a literal healbot 101.

Linna ExcelAug 31, 20151 votes

Yeah, and I miss that about her.

ModAttysu The PoroSep 1, 20151 votes

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Yeah, and I miss that about her.

Same, man. That's why I only really play Lulu/Leo/Thresh/Annie 'support' anymore. :P

TrebbiAug 30, 20155 votes

Meh, I kinda think C9 handled her poorly. I mean any other support could have saved their ADC like soraka there. I mean Thresh lantern would have solved many of those situations.

tplegs0708Aug 30, 20155 votes

...flat bronze speaking! just stop.... and if ur stressed cuz ur trying to poke unsuccessfully....try a new comp against her.... (like ur supposed to run) u gonna bag on globals pfft yea dont see u hating on karthus's global KS'er just stop ur whining and learn the champions weaknesses better thanks

LhostalisSep 1, 20151 votes

Huh, C9 did that twice... Did it work? Granted some other aspects of those two games weren't great but as soon as she was banned they got the reverse sweep going... Weird isn't it? I know there are some changes in the games they won but really, No Soraka and they won the games they banned her in?!?!?! Seems like more than a coincidence to me. And being S4 doesn't really give you the right to mock other peoples Elo considering Silver is essentially Bronze wrapped in tin foil

OnegarionSep 1, 20151 votes

There is a difference between finding ways to adapt and banning strong opponents. TIP made it work, but it doesn't mean its really good. They also screwed up their P/B as Lemon said in the post game interview. It wasn't soraka, but their own failure in P/B with their odd picks and ashe with such a high priority.

XemeronSep 1, 20151 votes

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Huh, C9 did that twice... Did it work? Granted some other aspects of those two games weren't great but as soon as she was banned they got the reverse sweep going... Weird isn't it? I know there are some changes in the games they won but really, No Soraka and they won the games they banned her in?!?!?! Seems like more than a coincidence to me. And being S4 doesn't really give you the right to mock other peoples Elo considering Silver is essentially Bronze wrapped in tin foil

Sure couldnt have anything to do with the fact that Sneaky finaly ditched Ashe and picked real ADCs?

StellafreyjaAug 30, 20153 votes

Soraka's rework came out like what, a year ago? Lol

LuggAug 30, 20153 votes

Bard, Braum, Janna, Karma, Lulu, Nami, Sona, Tahm Kench, and Zilean would have saved them just as well.

IcyPepperSep 1, 20153 votes

Soraka saving people? Gasp. It's like that's her thing.

You know how many instant stuns and knockbacks she has? None.

LhostalisSep 1, 20151 votes

Are they that necessary when she can silence the enemy support and prevent them from using their Knockbacks and stuns.

IcyPepperSep 1, 20152 votes

Can she walk out of their knockback and stun so she can silence them?

LhostalisSep 1, 20151 votes

Most supports don't have the 925 cast range that Soraka does on her silence, interesting how she's designed that way isn't it? Longer than the cast on Ali W, if you're a decent laner you'll dodge thresh hook, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Janna Q. Feel free to look at all the supports though, I don't all of the cast ranges off the top of my head.

IcyPepperSep 1, 20152 votes

It has a longer range because you can walk out of it. Comparing it to Ali's point-and-click W, however, is just plain unfair for the cow.

Yes, you can dodge a Thresh hook. But you can't walk out of it once he does, it has a slight cc duration unlike Blitz's hook, then he can jump on you and throw out his ult or use his close-range E. Apples and oranges, they are two different champions.

Just like other supports, Soraka has her strengths, but she is definitely not without her counterplay. Just because she got played in the LCS doesn't mean she should immediately need nerfing.

LhostalisSep 1, 20151 votes

I'm not saying that she has no counter play, I'm saying counter playing her is more difficult than I personally think it should be. You shouldn't need to outrange something to counter play it, granted hard engage destroys her but that's not always an option.

LhostalisSep 1, 20151 votes

And it doesn't require outranging her but it makes it easier to take her out of the equation.

IcyPepperSep 1, 20151 votes

Dude, you don't have to outrange her.

There are two forms of counterplay to her aoe silence: divide and conquer so she can't hit multiple people at once during ganks or just not getting too close during a teamfight, and walking out of it. All the silence does is not allow you to cast spells. If you're an ADC, all you have to do is be in aa range. If you're a mage, you can walk out of the field. Soraka is not going to 100-0 you. It's not like a Thresh hook or a Leona stun. It has more range, but it doesn't have as much power.

DroogzySep 1, 20151 votes

C9 pulling a reverse sweep after banning Soraka means extremely little, Soraka's niche is healing people, basically exactly what you're complaining about.

She has no hard CC, no means of engage or disengage, she literally has nothing but the capability to heal, take that away and what exactly does she bring to the table? I can answer that, nothing. Her AoE snare can be dodge literally by walking out of it. And if you're an ADC, chances are, being silenced means incredibly little to you.

Oh and she kills herself, literally for healing other people on her team.

3TWarriorSep 1, 20151 votes

as per the go with the flow, how about they simply change other supports to be able to compete with soraka? Sona has unmissable poke damage and can heal an entire group, but everything about her has been nerfed

Taric...everyone wants taric reworked, even some of the few mains

alistar...all they did was give him a visual update and call it a day

janna...she's not really even a support at this point. long cooldown heal on ultimate no less, small skillshot crowd control, low range point and click and her ratios for AD giving on her E are very low.

I think that they need more healing champs...bard is definitely not a healer XD