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so i was curious how tanking works in terms of karma vs swain

purrrf3ction··1 votes·1,168 views

say if i build warmog on karma then technically swain cannot tank more than me due to the stats right? here is a link to their champion stats to save time swain http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Swain karma http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Karma

so my question how does riot ratios work in terms of these builds? like if there is only swain in this game i just played

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2418659061/230497804?tab=overview or here http://s70.photobucket.com/user/neopets_acc/media/2017-02-07.png.html?sort=3&o=1

then technically he is the strongest tank and he can build warmog beucaes he is the only one in this game that is the tankiest? i am not sure if that makes sense but say if there is no other tanks then technically swain can build warmog as where if there was a karma in game then technically swain would not be able to build warmog? please ask me to clarify cause i been wondering how these caps works

btw idk how twitch can tank so much haha i dont think twitch can do this based on his stats......? twitch http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Twitch here is his build during the game i just played http://s70.photobucket.com/user/neopets_acc/media/2017-02-07%201.png.html?sort=3&o=0 that is the screenshot but i linked the game above he has a lot of armor..... personally i think its a waste since he cant fully tank anyways so idk wtf....?

sorry haha this game got me thinking of tanks and how they work in terms of the champs chosen since i would really like to understand

but i did report for scripts and intentionally feeding because i would like riot to check to see if they are scripting or not especially twich but i know shaclone has been int in games just for challenger jackets....so tbh thats kinda unfair for the rest of us https://www.google.com/#q=shaclone+int+ban there is the link and you can do the research yourself

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ßurst2 votes

What are those summoners lol. I know you're very low elo, but consider running flash every game because it will help you get better in the long run.

purrrf3ction1 votes

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What are those summoners lol. I know you're very low elo, but consider running flash every game because it will help you get better in the long run.

how to boost step one. get everyone to get flash

FeuerfalkeFX2 votes

The best options for tanks are champions who benefit off of stats like: health (Garen, Dr. Mundo), armor (Malphite, Rammus), magic resist (Galio)

#Karma or Swain, who would be the better tank?

##benefit of armor and mr Karma: none Swain: none

##benefit of health Karma: empowered W heals for 20% of your missing health at the beginning and end of the cast Swain: none

technically Karma is better, but!

Karma needs to buy a lot of health because of the W, Swain on the other side has a flat healing, thus he doesn't need so much hp and can focus more on buying armor and magic resist.

##Conclusion Swain is the better tank

armor and mr math: incoming damage *(100/(100+ resistance))

purrrf3ction1 votes

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The best options for tanks are champions who benefit off of stats like: health (Garen, Dr. Mundo), armor (Malphite, Rammus), magic resist (Galio)

#Karma or Swain, who would be the better tank?

##benefit of armor and mr Karma: none Swain: none

##benefit of health Karma: empowered W heals for 20% of your missing health at the beginning and end of the cast Swain: none

technically Karma is better, but!

Karma needs to buy a lot of health because of the W, Swain on the other side has a flat healing, thus he doesn't need so much hp and can focus more on buying armor and magic resist.

##Conclusion Swain is the better tank

armor and mr math: incoming damage *(100/(100+ resistance))

im just reading their champion stats http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Karma http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/swain

Coitus begon1 votes

This post is long so ima go over it in bite sized chunks :) Theres also A TLDR at the bottom but you should read the post.

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say if i build warmog on karma then technically swain cannot tank more than me due to the stats right?

Swain Will out heal you in most scenarios that matter. His build was also to counter the 3 ap champions you had on your team. To you guys he probably took no damage. Also swain never wants to build warmogs as it only gives him HP and nothing else. He usually build Spirit Visage for the HP, MR, and healing increase.

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technically he is the strongest tank and he can build warmog beucaes he is the only one in this game that is the tankiest?

Yes swain was the strongest tank in that game. He built the required resistances to fight your team.

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technically swain can build warmog as where if there was a karma in game then technically swain would not be able to build warmog?

If swain and karma were both in the same game Swain would out tank her even if you both build warmogs. Most of swains purchases Like Zhonyas and Spirit Visage make swain very tanky.

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btw idk how twitch can tank so much haha i dont think twitch can do this based on his stats......?

Twitch can actually tank alot of sustained damage as long as he has life steal. Champions with healing in their kit or from item purchases can become very tanky simply because any damage you do to them can be healed back. That's why Swain can be so tanky without having the staple tank items like warmogs.

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he has a lot of armor..... personally i think its a waste since he cant fully tank anyways so idk wtf....?

Getting Guardian angle doesn't mean he has a lot of armour. Also its pretty much mandatory on adcs that you get a defensive item such as Guardian angel, Banshees Veil or maybe something like Mercurial Scimitar to stay relevant in late game. If you make one mistake and you dont have those items you pretty much lose the team fight if you get caught out.

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but i did report for scripts and intentionally feeding because i would like riot to check to see if they are scripting or not especially twich

Reporting someone for scripting is fine because i haven't seen them play the game but you shouldn't report people for inting especially if they actually aren't doing the things you are reporting them for. This was a post back in 2013 but: "Players who report too much have their report weight lowered, which means their reports mean less and less (and eventually mean nothing). A while back, they also 2-week banned the most extreme abusers of the report function."(quote by Spreek)

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but i know shaclone has been int in games just for challenger jackets....so tbh thats kinda unfair for the rest of us

What does Shaclone have to do with this and why does it matter? lol

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TLDR: Swain will out tank Karma.

purrrf3ction1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Coitus begon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k5giamY8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-08T21:42:56.748+0000)

This post is long so ima go over it in bite sized chunks :) Theres also A TLDR at the bottom but you should read the post.

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Swain Will out heal you in most scenarios that matter. His build was also to counter the 3 ap champions you had on your team. To you guys he probably took no damage. Also swain never wants to build warmogs as it only gives him HP and nothing else. He usually build Spirit Visage for the HP, MR, and healing increase.

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Yes swain was the strongest tank in that game. He built the required resistances to fight your team.

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If swain and karma were both in the same game Swain would out tank her even if you both build warmogs. Most of swains purchases Like Zhonyas and Spirit Visage make swain very tanky.

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Twitch can actually tank alot of sustained damage as long as he has life steal. Champions with healing in their kit or from item purchases can become very tanky simply because any damage you do to them can be healed back. That's why Swain can be so tanky without having the staple tank items like warmogs.

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Getting Guardian angle doesn't mean he has a lot of armour. Also its pretty much mandatory on adcs that you get a defensive item such as Guardian angel, Banshees Veil or maybe something like Mercurial Scimitar to stay relevant in late game. If you make one mistake and you dont have those items you pretty much lose the team fight if you get caught out.

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Reporting someone for scripting is fine because i haven't seen them play the game but you shouldn't report people for inting especially if they actually aren't doing the things you are reporting them for. This was a post back in 2013 but: "Players who report too much have their report weight lowered, which means their reports mean less and less (and eventually mean nothing). A while back, they also 2-week banned the most extreme abusers of the report function."(quote by Spreek)

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What does Shaclone have to do with this and why does it matter? lol

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TLDR: Swain will out tank Karma.

so have you ever played against a champ with a lot of health but no heal? lol maybe when that happens i will focus more on just the healing part cuase i love to buy regen instead of health but that doesnt work but it works when you stack health haha idk im just saying

tbh im just comparing stats and the bars they have for their champions

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Karma http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Swain

i kinda figured riot made these stats for a reason so i try to follow it haha

i am unsure if riot approves wikipedia as a reliable site or not but you can always ask them if you want to know for sure if not i can tweet them and see what they say since it is not a third party program and these stats are stats that riot made so idk i can ask if you like but if not then i guess we can just follow the stats

i agree with the angel item because i think riot has a new cap they are working on where say if i am playing zyra and then i use cull i think i will only get to keep the gold income (btw if you didnt know riot doesnt have a champ cap on gold, they have a cap on gold, but they do not have a certain champ capped on how much gold income they can have) http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/zyra

i dont mind since i do understand how archives work so im really not worried about the 'weight' of my report plus i take screenshots and upload them onto another site as well as making board posts to make sure i archive the game so when riot checks the reports i can cross reference in case they want to ban someone

we all understand how boosts work lets not play dumb now ahah thats just boring cause it shows how weak you are since you know you cannot win this argument ^-^

but thank you for your reply haha it was entertaining to read but you have a lot of holes in the things you said besides the things i chose to reply ^-^

Coitus begon1 votes

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Poppy is really popular atm and she ends up getting around 3.4k hp with a huge amount of tank stats to back it up.

When riot makes a champion and puts up their champ stats, something like the "Defensive power" doesn't actually include things like it how actually tanky a champion is. For instance Karmas bar is obviously higher but Swain will always out tank her because the bar is looking at ALL of the defensive properties such as karmas Mantrad shield which can be put on every party member. Karma isn't tankier because her bar is higher its because the overall utility from her shield inflates the bar. Dont worry so much about the bars and look at what the champion does and how it works for your team.

Last i checked Riot actually has a tip that tells you to visit websites like LOLwiki and the like for in-depth information. So id assume they endorse them wholeheartedly.

i agree with the angel item because i think riot has a new cap they are working on where say if i am playing zyra and then i use cull i think i will only get to keep the gold income (btw if you didn't know riot doesn't have a champ cap on gold, they have a cap on gold, but they do not have a certain champ capped on how much gold income they can have)

I don't quite follow? The amount of gold you can ever get is 100,000 but that isn't even remotely feasible unless you play a 2-4 hour long farm game without buying items. Id also argue getting cull isnt a very good buy on support as you already have a gold generating item but its w/e.

How does shaclone Intentionally feeding have anything to do with boosting? What? Also please explain what holes i may have im open to discussion.

purrrf3ction1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Coitus begon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k5giamY8,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-02-09T10:34:24.734+0000)

Poppy is really popular atm and she ends up getting around 3.4k hp with a huge amount of tank stats to back it up.

When riot makes a champion and puts up their champ stats, something like the "Defensive power" doesn't actually include things like it how actually tanky a champion is. For instance Karmas bar is obviously higher but Swain will always out tank her because the bar is looking at ALL of the defensive properties such as karmas Mantrad shield which can be put on every party member. Karma isn't tankier because her bar is higher its because the overall utility from her shield inflates the bar. Dont worry so much about the bars and look at what the champion does and how it works for your team.

Last i checked Riot actually has a tip that tells you to visit websites like LOLwiki and the like for in-depth information. So id assume they endorse them wholeheartedly. i think i will only get to keep the gold income (btw if you didn't know riot doesn't have a champ cap on gold, they have a cap on gold, but they do not have a certain champ capped on how much gold income they can have)

I don't quite follow? The amount of gold you can ever get is 100,000 but that isn't even remotely feasible unless you play a 2-4 hour long farm game without buying items. Id also argue getting cull isnt a very good buy on support as you already have a gold generating item but its w/e.

How does shaclone Intentionally feeding have anything to do with boosting? What? Also please explain what holes i may have im open to discussion.

really balanced champs are actually really easy to counter with a champ who can max out ad or ap for example any adc can counter tanks easily becuase their ad bars pass wayyyy beyond any defense of any supp champs same for any ap champs, they can fully counter most ppl in lane due to their champ stats being able to have more of one thing than whatever their counter has poppy, kayle, yorick are all very hard champs to play becuase they are so balanced, it is easy to fully counter them with a full ad/ap champ

uh......exactly my point haha any adc can counter any defense becuase usually their ad/ap bar i bigger than any defense bar haha i dont think you understand what you just said

there is no cap on a certain champ of how much gold income they can have there is only a cap on how much gold income you can have in the game no matte what champ you play

this is actually really frustrating to explain becuase it is really all programming and idk how to explain to you the details if you dont understand the basics of how a program works.....

i think you fully undersatnd that most of the points you make dont actualy make any sense... i know karma bar has more so she can buy more defense items than swain... i have repeated that over and over again haha pleaee reread my posts above because i am really tired of explaining the same thing in every single post

Coitus begon1 votes

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If your referring to gold per 10 runes and items you probably could of said that from the beginning as your wording made it very confusing. But yes you are correct on that however the same gold per 10 items don't stack.

What are you even talking about? I know full well how scripts function and shaclone feeding has nothing to do with scripting as scripting is the act of automating or revealing certain champion functions that would otherwise be impossible to do or see in a normal game. Like being able to see your enemy's projectiles before they even come out of the champion and having the script dodge the spell for you with literally 0 reaction time. Also boosting has nothing to do with this either.

Karmas Bar is higher because its inflated from her R+Shield combo, this doesn't make her tanky. Karmas no more tanky than nami is. Swains natural item choices like Spirit visage, Rod of ages and Zhonyas all make him exceptionally tanky and this isn't even including his ulti.

I have re-read your post multiple times and have given you solid examples of why karma isnt more tanky that Swain in my previous posts.

MisterShameless1 votes

Swain is a better tank because he has flat healing and can build damage while Karma has percent healing which she can only use from being pure defensive items. Swain has both an easier time to achieve his healing while also bring damage to the table while Karma takes a long time to reach her tankiness while not providing much damage to her team.

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